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National Catholic Reporter columnist calls unborn child 'a bundle of cells'
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Posted on 03/22/2013 6:15:19 AM PDT by Morgana

The National Catholic Reporter has once again proved that its nickname, the National Catholic “Fishwrap,” is well deserved.

On Wednesday, NCR printed a column in which columnist Bill Tammeus (who, oddly enough, isn’t Catholic, but a Presbyterian elder) referred to the unborn child as a “bundle of cells” and questioned why the Roman Catholic Church has exerted so much energy trying to stop abortion, as opposed to the death penalty.

After all, says, Bill Tammeus, “in the matter of abortion, we have a bundle of cells that one day may be born.”

On the other hand, in the case of the death penalty, “we have human beings who have been around for years, having long proven viable outside the womb -- people who may be capable of repentance and who, thus, may be rescued from misspent lives.”

That anybody in the 21st century is still laboring under the belief that the unborn child is merely a “bundle of cells” beggars belief. It brings to mind what a young man viewing photos of aborted babies on a university campus recently said in response to his friend who told him that “it’s just a clump of cells.”

“That’s a pretty organized clump of cells!” the man responded.

Indeed. If the unborn baby is a “bundle of cells,” then we’re all just “bundles of cells.”

But putting aside questions of elementary-school-level biology, let’s consider some elementary-school-level mathematics.

Tell me, if you can, which number is higher: 50 million, or 1,300?

Fifty million is, of course (give or take several million), the number of human beings that have been killed by abortion in the U.S. since abortion was legalized in the United States in 1973.

1,324, on the other hand, is the number of executions that have taken place in the United States since 1976.

Or, in other words, there have been about 1.25 million abortions per year in the United States, as opposed to about 36 executions per year. So far this year, there have been a grand total of four executions in the United States, while there have been nearly 300,000 abortions.

Or, to look at it yet another way, the abortion rate is 37,000 times higher than the execution rate.

In the United States, with its advanced forensics and generally enlightened court system, it’s safe to say that the vast majority of those who have been executed were guilty of heinous crimes. On the other hand, every single unborn child killed through abortion was completely innocent.

Of course, there have been instances in which innocent people have been executed, and even one such death of one innocent person is clearly one too many. In the age of nearly escape-proof maximum security prisons, there may well be a good argument to be made that the risk of executing any innocent person is enough to favor abolishing the death penalty altogether. The Catholic Church appears to agree with that.

But when millions of innocent children are dying every year under the hand of the abortionist’s knife, and when millions of mothers are experiencing depression, alcoholism, and infertility after abortions, how can anyone, let alone a columnist in a supposedly “Catholic” newspaper, argue that the Catholic Church’s resources have been misplaced?

If anything, what we need is more resources, more energy, and more time poured into fighting this great scourge upon our society.

The real question is: why did a putatively "Catholic" newspaper feel the need to enlist the help of a non-Catholic to bash the Catholic Church's efforts on one of the most pressing issues of our day? This is just more proof that Bishop Finn was more than justified when he recently made clear that NCR, whose offices are located in his diocese, should not be using the word “Catholic” in their name. Unfortunately, so far NCR shows no signs of complying


TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; pcusa; presbyterian; prolife; religiousleft
"NCR printed a column in which columnist Bill Tammeus (who, oddly enough, isn’t Catholic, but a Presbyterian elder)"

So why is a Presbyterian writing in a Catholic newspaper?

1 posted on 03/22/2013 6:15:19 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

I thought we still were a “bundle of cells”; just a lot more of them...


2 posted on 03/22/2013 6:29:43 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Morgana

Referring to a yet to be born child as a “bundle of cells” sounds like an excuse to ease the consience of pro-abortion supporters like that idiot.


3 posted on 03/22/2013 6:29:51 AM PDT by RedMDer (Support Free Republic)
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To: Morgana; Alex Murphy
Presbyterian Church (USA). Presbyterian in church governance only.

That being said, it seems like just a couple weeks ago Catholics were high fiving each other over closer relations with apostate, liberal denominations.

4 posted on 03/22/2013 6:31:00 AM PDT by Gamecock ( If we distort the gospel, that distortion will influence and affect everything else that we believe)
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To: Morgana
"After all, says, Bill Tammeus, “in the matter of abortion, we have a bundle of cells that one day may be born.”

This is the same mindset that rationalized slavery because Africans weren't really human and also excused the holocaust because Jews were subhuman. Once one presumes to define any type of human life as somehow less than human or only "a bundle of cells" then they have entered the deepest heart of darkness.

5 posted on 03/22/2013 6:39:37 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Morgana
So why is a Presbyterian writing in a Catholic newspaper?

Because this fishwrap isn't Catholic and has been told to cease and desist from continuing to lie by presenting itself as 'Catholic'.

Bill Tammeus and the National Catholic Reporter are anti-Science: Conception to Birth: Visualized

6 posted on 03/22/2013 6:43:31 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Morgana
We have a bundle of nuts in DC. They love killing and getting even with the other side whether it is Jane Hanoi Fonda shooting at an American aircraft in North Viet Nam or Kerry dissing our troops for decades. Dirty Hairy Reed loves to lie about anything that is not democRat.
7 posted on 03/22/2013 6:45:38 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Morgana

Why not a JEWISH or ATHEIST or MUSLIM WRITER??? How STUPID!!!I’ve never read NCR and I will NEVER read it now!!


8 posted on 03/22/2013 6:47:37 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Morgana
“That’s a pretty organized clump of cells!”

Of course they are ‘organized’, look who formed them! Isaiah 44:2 Thus saith the Lord that made thee, and formed thee from the womb….

9 posted on 03/22/2013 6:52:58 AM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: Morgana

According to this loon, a mass murderer has “mis-spent” his life.


10 posted on 03/22/2013 6:56:12 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

You beat me to it in posting the link for Conception to Birth. Great video!


11 posted on 03/22/2013 6:57:10 AM PDT by Shark24
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To: Gamecock; Morgana
Presbyterian Church (USA). Presbyterian in church governance only. That being said, it seems like just a couple weeks ago Catholics were high fiving each other over closer relations with apostate, liberal denominations.

February 24, 2013 to be exact:
Protestant Denominations, Catholics Sign Ecumenical ‘Mutual Recognition of Baptism’ Agreement

Austin, Texas – Leaders from several Protestant denominations met with representatives from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops last night to sign an ecumenical document agreeing to recognize each other’s baptisms. The document, entitled “These Living Waters: Common Agreement on the Mutual Recognition of Baptism,” has been approximately four years in the making. The Presbyterian Church USA was reportedly the first to deliberate the move, followed by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops....The Common Agreement was signed last night in Austin, Texas by members of both the Presbyterian Church USA and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, as well as the Christian Reformed Church of North America, the Reformed Church of America and the United Church of Christ.

12 posted on 03/22/2013 7:03:08 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Morgana

The fight so hard to spread ignorance.


13 posted on 03/22/2013 7:05:34 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Morgana
Mr. Tammeus is nothing but "a bundle of cells" as well.
14 posted on 03/22/2013 7:12:27 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: Morgana
Bill Tammeus!

That jerk used to be an editorial writer for the Kansas City (Red) star!

What an idiot and how in the world did that incompetent small mass of grey matter end up employed at the Catholic Reporter?

Just for the record, Bill was always on the far left-wing of the Presbyterian Church, at best.

His "opinions" are best suited for Mother Jones or some other spot, way, way left of NPR.

Just shows you how the camel behaves when he gets his nose in your tent!

15 posted on 03/22/2013 7:22:08 AM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: Morgana

Yet, I’ll bet Tammeus, like other liberals, would leap for joy at the first sign of a discover of the smallest living microorganism on Mars, calling it a “discovery of life.”

Yet an unborn baby is but a bundle of cells...


16 posted on 03/22/2013 7:32:03 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: Morgana

Tammaus will find that he is “just a bundle of cells” when ObamaCare deems him too expensive to treat in his old age. The utilitarian view of human life cheapens life and makes it disposable.


17 posted on 03/22/2013 7:32:57 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Servant of the Cross

Best video I’ve ever seen. How did this guy get accepted for a Ted lecture?


18 posted on 03/22/2013 8:02:56 AM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Morgana

National Catholic Reporter is LEFT-WING publication.

National Catholic Register, owned by EWTN, is a conservative
publication that promotes the doctrine of the Catholic Church.


19 posted on 03/22/2013 8:16:50 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: ntnychik
Isn't that the coolest thing ever?! Science is on our side. 3-D and 4-D ultrasound technology! Good for TED for its courage!

Yea, I think Alexander Tsiaras was sweating profusely because he knew what he was presenting was demolishing the liberals and their lies about abortion, and that it would not be popular and likely be condemned.


20 posted on 03/22/2013 8:16:51 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Morgana
So why is a Presbyterian writing in a Catholic newspaper?

It must have been preordained.

21 posted on 03/22/2013 8:24:26 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Morgana

That’s exactly what the raging man-hating feminazis call us after conception. That paper doesn’t deserve the name Catholic.


22 posted on 03/22/2013 8:36:55 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Agree.

The bundle of cells hasn’t been convicted of murdering or doing something equally horrific to another human being(s).


23 posted on 03/22/2013 8:43:52 AM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: mountainlion

From “bundle of cells” to “bundle of nuts in DC”. That’s got to be one of the greatest segues in the history of FR.


24 posted on 03/22/2013 8:50:34 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Morgana
That particular "agreement" may be news, but that docrine concerning Baptism isn't new at all. Any Baptism with the proper matter (flowing water) and the proper words ("I baptize you in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit") and the proper intention (the intent to "do what the Church does, in obedience to Christ") is recognized as a true Baptism no matter what Christian Church it is administered in.

(With the exception of the LDS and the Jehovah's Wtnesses, IIRC, because they do not believe in the Trinity and thus their Baptism cannot, by definition, be intended to be baptism in the name of the Trinity.)

In fact, any person, even a non-baptized person, can administer baptism in the case of an emergency, e.g. a military medic baptizing his mortally wounded fellow soldier, at the dying man's request.

It's in the Catechism. They could have looked it up.

25 posted on 03/22/2013 6:53:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (In Nomine Patris, et Felii, et Spiritus Sancti.)
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To: I want the USA back
Actually, they've been forbidden by the bishop of Kansas City (their diocese) to use the name Catholic, and are now in strict disobedience. (Have been for awhile, in fact, since previous bishops said the same.)

That doesn't seem to bother them. Too bad they can't be hauled into court and sued. Unfortunately, there's no copyright or TradeMark protection for the word "Catholic."

It's like "Amish Cheese" or "Quaker Oats."

26 posted on 03/22/2013 6:56:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (In Nomine Patris, et Felii, et Spiritus Sancti.)
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To: Morgana
From the text of the article:

On the other hand, every single unborn child killed through abortion was completely innocent.

Not "completely." The correct substitute would be "as yet."

All, by Adam's error, are infected with the absolutely predetermined nature of erring from God's commands, placing them under condemnation to die; that is, they all, save one, have an original sinful nature, inescapably entwined in their DNA/mitochondria.

Consider this:

That statistically, among fifty million aborted unborn children, surely more than 1,324 more murderers (worthy as adults of execution before their time) will not have seen daylight.

But we do not know which of those murderous adults abortion will have anticipated.

Regardless, all (including the one perfect individual) will be born with the sentence of death certainly in the offing.

Let us think on that for a while.

27 posted on 03/23/2013 4:22:30 AM PDT by imardmd1 ("... let all the earth keep silence before Him." Habakkuk 2:20)
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To: Morgana
So why is a Presbyterian writing in a Catholic newspaper?

And why are "Catholics" accrediting him as a Presbyterian? To inherently besmirch Protestantism with his claim to be of them? With this viewpoint, he is an unbeliever of the first water.

28 posted on 03/23/2013 4:30:13 AM PDT by imardmd1 ("... let all the earth keep silence before Him." Habakkuk 2:20)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; GiovannaNicoletta; boatbums; metmom
Any Baptism with the proper matter (flowing water) and the proper words ("I baptize you in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit") and the proper intention (the intent to "do what the Church does, in obedience to Christ") is recognized as a true Baptism no matter what Christian Church it is administered in.

This is a humanistically-derived, errant opinion, not worthy of a clear literal/grammatical/historical/cultural hermeneutic (interpretation) of the command of Christ as found at the end of the Gospel of Matthew, nor as it is applied in the greater context.

The correct interpretation is that this baptism is a rite of initiation (similar to the swearing-in ceremony of induction into our armed forces) into the life-long occupation of disciple-making, by conferring delegated authority under Christ's command.

The water-baptism is not an agency of conferring forgiveness of sins, as many think, the dispensation of which they like to put themselves in command (simony). No, it is a rite performed on the basis of sin and sins already convicted of by the Holy Ghost, confessed and abandoned by the believer, abandoned and forgotten by The Just And Righteous Father--a prerequisite for having been spiritually cleansed by the Blood of The Christ, justified by His resurrection, and reconciled by Him as our Eternal Priest--in preparation for the believer to be accepted into the disciplizing paradigm by water-baptism immersion and concurrent proclamation of The Faith.

This water-baptism is meant solely for the commissioning of regenerated believer-disciples who have already shown their clear devotion to following Christ through being discipled into a saving knowledge of and passion for The Faith, thus committing themselves into being progressively led into spiritual maturity. This baptism (not one of the seven other baptisms mentioned in the Bible) is to be entered by immersion. Figuratively, it is a baptism of total submersion into a death-producing medium, signifying a death to self, to Sin as a Master, and to the world; from which one arises into a life-giving medium as eternally and fully committed to The Christ Master as a bond-slave and disciple-maker.

The meaning and intention of this baptism as an induction/ordination rite was explicitly understood by the disciple/apostles. Any other proposed use would be a misuse and a demeaning of its purpose.

This baptism clearly is to be administered only by an individual who has agreed with the doctrine, submitted himself to this ordination, and who has begun the preparation for disciple-making--one who has demonstrated the intent to bear fruit. That is, though the fruit (not "fruits") of the Spirit are seen in an individual (figuratively) as the observed gradual development of the character of Christ; in contrast, the fruit of the disciple--another and different fruit--is more disciples (learners)(literally) which he has been empowered to recruit and instruct.

Thus the baptism spoken of is not a transaction to be entered into by a new convert, nor by an unregenerated believer, nor by an individual self-proclaiming conversion, and most certainly not by a newborn infant child nor rank unbeliever. The purpose is not salvatory for them.

The agreement described in the article about the nature, purpose, or performance of water-baptism among various extra-Biblical denominations is the gross error of lack of understanding of the mind of Christ by uncommissioned groups falsely proclaiming themselves as appointed purveyors of The Faith, and deceiving seekers of the rudiments of The Faith thereby.

That is a Scriptural view in which I have been instructed, and mine also, of an answer to the incorrect description you have given of carrying out this glorious commandment.

Let Scripture alone be the divider of truth from error.

Look up all the references.

29 posted on 03/23/2013 7:18:50 AM PDT by imardmd1 ("... The LORD is in His Holy Temple: let all the earth keep silence before Him." Habakkuk 2:20)
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To: Morgana

You could also ask why a “Catholic” newspaper printed the article.


30 posted on 03/23/2013 9:17:42 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: imardmd1
Consider this:

That statistically, among fifty million aborted unborn children, surely more than 1,324 more murderers (worthy as adults of execution before their time) will not have seen daylight.

But we do not know which of those murderous adults abortion will have anticipated.

Regardless, all (including the one perfect individual) will be born with the sentence of death certainly in the offing.

Let us think on that for a while.

Think about it for a while why?

It's irrelevant if abortion killed someone who may have been deserving of the death penalty at some point in their lives, and it's irrelevant that everyone is going to die some day anyway.

Abortion is murder and ought not to be practiced for that reason.

31 posted on 03/23/2013 9:26:03 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
Abortion is murder and ought not to be practiced for that reason.

Of course it is, and worse--it is self-inflicted genocide. That's the point I was trying to make. But the statistics are not irrelevant. For sure you may know that all fifty million (plus/minus) will hold their parents and the abortionists accountable under the Holy Judgments.

And also, for sure, they will have already preceded you and I into The Heaven, not having accomplished sinful acts; and thus whereas they have committed no offenses of the law, no sin nor guilt is imputed, by the grace and mercy of the just, loving, and pitying Father God. (Please set the artifices of a "limbo" and/or "purgatory" aside, as they have no sound basis.)

No doubt these little ones will say, as Joseph did, "...As for you, ye thought evil against me; but The God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive" (Genesis 50:20).

32 posted on 03/23/2013 1:31:33 PM PDT by imardmd1 ("...The LORD is in His Holy Temple: let all the eart keep silence before Him." Habakkuk 2:20)
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