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I Need Help with Philosophy Class Questions
Homeschool Blogger--Eaglesnest ^ | 3/18/2013 | EaglesNestHome

Posted on 03/18/2013 8:14:29 AM PDT by EaglesNestHome

I need your help, answering questions for my philosophy class. How would you answer the three great philosophical questions of life: Where did we come from? Why are we here? Where are we going?

Also, may I share with you the basic message of the Bible, as I have experienced it?

As a homeschool family, we’ve had to consider carefully what is most important in educating our children. Reading, Writing, and Arithmetic are important skills, but they will pass away someday. Ultimately, what really matters is what lasts forever.

Why would such a powerful, just God care enough about you and I to take the form of a man—Jesus, called Christ–come to earth and die on a cross to pay for our sins?

I asked this question, before I knew God. I have heard physicians say that dying on a cross is the most painful death imaginable. Even after many years as a Christian, I still can’t totally grasp God’s love, except to say that He has proved His love to me. Jesus is the only one who ever died to save me. He proved His love for each person–me, you, and everybody.

That’s my basic understanding of what God says in the Bible. Of course, there is much more, and I don’t know everything. Don’t worry if you don’t understand it all yet—we may not know everything about how a television works, but we can still watch it. So you don’t need to understand everything about God all at once, either, to know Him.

Here’s my own personal experience, that I share in the hope that it will help you. Although I believed in Christ at the age of sixteen, I also struggled with doubts and questions. Yet, when I believed in Him, I also asked Him to open my eyes (spiritually), and let me know Him. Decades later, I am still learning to know Him more intimately. After all, He is infinite.

In the late 1970s, my husband and I visited Cherokee Village, in North Carolina. We were visiting to learn more about Cherokee ancestors. While there, we had the privilege of listening to a native Cherokee lecturer. He related a story that you are not likely to hear anywhere else. When the European missionaries first told the Cherokee people about Jesus, they were met with several surprises. For one, the missionaries were greeted with open arms, and the Cherokee people immediately converted to Christianity, almost every one of them. The startled missionaries had to know why the tribe experienced such sudden conversions. The reason? The Cherokee had a story about a visitor, who when described, sounded remarkably like Christ. Proof of this story, to me, is the native Cherokee word which is almost identical to the Hebrew word for God. So God can do what He wants, but He proved His love on the cross. You can’t do any more for anyone than die for them.

Over the years of getting to know God, through His son Jesus Christ, I am learning that the Bible is a spiritual book, which God directed His people to write. God did not physically write it, but it is His Word, as if His people were taking dictation.

I wondered, if we are like ants to God, how can we possibly understand Him? We can’t by ourselves. That’s why people say all the time, “I can’t understand the Bible.” But we can understand some of it–the most important parts, and what we need to know now–if we ask Him to help us, through His Spirit. I am also learning that the Bible is a spiritual book–the Holy Spirit is how God talks to people.

I want you to know that God is calling you, just like He called me, and just like He visited (according to ancient Cherokee legend) the Cherokee. He loves you so much, that He was willing to die for you. You may not believe this yet—God understands. However, if you want to know God, you need to be willing to listen to Him. Would you pray a prayer every day? Just talk to God, in Jesus name, the way you would talk to a person. Every day, just ask God “God, help me to know Jesus.” Will you do that, because Jesus loves you? Do this, and be WILLING to believe (I didn’t say you have to have blind faith–I said you need to be willing to listen), when God helps you to understand. Simple, I know. Please let me know that you will do this, and write me when you can.

In Christ’s Love, Melissa Morgan, http://homeschoolblogger.com/eaglesnest/781930/ “For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul? (Mark 8:36)


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Thank you so much, for your help! I appreciate your answering my questions, and reading about my experience with the basic message of the Bible. Have a blessed day!
1 posted on 03/18/2013 8:14:29 AM PDT by EaglesNestHome
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To: EaglesNestHome
“Where did we come from? Why are we here? Where are we going?”

You can answer those questions ONE way if you have a religion and you can answer those questions some other way if you don't.

NO ONE in the realm of Philosophy has answered any of those questions to the satisfaction of anyone ELSE in all the centuries that humans have been asking them.

2 posted on 03/18/2013 8:17:16 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: EaglesNestHome

Well it was a link from Drudge and this place is very addictive and then BTTT


3 posted on 03/18/2013 8:18:55 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: EaglesNestHome

No one in this world has the factual answers to those questions.

There are theories and beliefs, but we find out when we die.


4 posted on 03/18/2013 8:19:40 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: EaglesNestHome

The Big Bang.

The Big Bang.

There.


5 posted on 03/18/2013 8:19:42 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: SMARTY

Thank you for your response. The questions have been answered fully to my satisfaction—I know the Creator, and I am not alone in this.

So, what say you, personally, about the questions? It sounds like you may think that these questions have not been answered to your satisfaction. I am interested in your answers. Thanks so much.


6 posted on 03/18/2013 8:23:35 AM PDT by EaglesNestHome
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To: chris37
There are theories and beliefs, but we find out when we die.

Is that a fact?

7 posted on 03/18/2013 8:25:35 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: EaglesNestHome

“I have heard physicians say that dying on a cross is the most painful death imaginable.”

That’s true, in fact the pain was so intense they came up with a word for it - “Excruciating!”

As far as your questions go, who’s to say? It’s a matter of faith. If you believe, no explanation is necessary, if not no explanation will suffice. I was raised a Catholic and have gone thru 16 years of Catholic school. Stopped going to church went back and have stopped again. I still pray but have many doubts.


8 posted on 03/18/2013 8:27:21 AM PDT by jimmyo57
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To: EaglesNestHome
The three great philosophical questions are:

1. What can we know? (Epistemology)

2. What is there? (Ontology)

3. What should we do? (Ethics)

There is also a fourth question you can add: What is beauty? (Aesthetics) so that the three basic philosophical concepts of truth, goodness, and beauty are covered.

There are lots of good answers here:

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

This is a great research site that is friendly to both non-Christian and Christian philosophers and philosophies.

9 posted on 03/18/2013 8:28:26 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: TomGuy

I wonder, could you give a bit more detail on this. This is my problem with this answer to life’s most important question—Were you there at The Big Bang? Or is this faith in “The Big Bang” based on blind faith in authority? Can something come from nothing, with no outside force or intelligence?

Thank you so much for your reply.


10 posted on 03/18/2013 8:28:45 AM PDT by EaglesNestHome
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To: SMARTY

Solomon gave it a good shot. :-)

God gave us a philosophical inclination, and I see no harm in using it to examine life outside the realm of revelation. Ecclesiastes is an account of such an examination, and demonstrates the emptiness and futility of a life - even a philosophical one - without that revelation.


11 posted on 03/18/2013 8:29:31 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: EaglesNestHome

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12 posted on 03/18/2013 8:29:46 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: EaglesNestHome

Couldn’t resist:
Where did we come from? No one knows; its a limitless universe through which the earth is traveling thus there are no reference points to a point of origin.

Where are we going? its a limitless universe through which the earth is traveling thus there are no reference points to a point of destination.

Why are we here? We aren’t. Its an illusion.


13 posted on 03/18/2013 8:30:11 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Yes, those are great questions—when it comes right down to it, these are key to happiness and fulfillment in life. What say you, personally?


14 posted on 03/18/2013 8:31:11 AM PDT by EaglesNestHome
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To: EaglesNestHome

There are lots of Cherokee churches in Oklahoma. One Cherokee preacher helped a local woman (white, but believed she was infused with Cherokee witchcraft curse) overcome her “curse”. She had a terrifying thing happen to her that made national news about 13-14 years ago.


15 posted on 03/18/2013 8:32:22 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: EaglesNestHome
Easy answer; Start here:

The Baltimore Catechism: Part Two: The Commandments, The Commandments of the Church; First and Second Commandments

The Baltimore Catechism:Part Two: The Commandments, The Seventh, Eighth, Ninth, and Tenth Commandments of God
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Two: The Commandments, The Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Commandments of God
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Two: The Commandments, The Second and Third Commandments of God
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Two: The Commandments, Honoring the Saints, Relics, and Images
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Two: The Commandments, The First Commandment of God
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Two: The Commandments, The Two Great Commandments
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Resurrection and Life Everlasting
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Communion of Saints and the Forgiveness of Sins
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Marks and Attributes of the Church
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Catholic Church

The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Virtues and the Gifts of the Holy Ghost
The Baltimore Catehcism: Part One: The Creed, The Holy Ghost and Grace
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Redemption
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Incarnation
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, Actual Sin
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Creation and the Fall of Man
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, Creation and the Angels
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Unity and Trinity of God
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, God and His Perfections
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Purpose of Man's Existence

16 posted on 03/18/2013 8:34:41 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Rich21IE

Thanks for your answers.

You aren’t an illusion. You can doubt, so you can think.
“I think, therefore I am.”

If you care to find out the answers, you can find them. They are not hidden.


17 posted on 03/18/2013 8:34:48 AM PDT by EaglesNestHome
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To: EaglesNestHome

You came from GOD. You are here because this is the place prepared for you during your mortality. Satan was cast here to prove we as human will choose GOD. The War continues on as GOD shows humanity shall persevere vs Satan believing selfishness will persevere.


18 posted on 03/18/2013 8:36:22 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?)
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To: EaglesNestHome
I can't trust the mind of man (any man) to reason out the answers to these questions. Humanity is too fallible and entirely too flawed and imperfect to explain this.

That leaves ONE answer for all the questions. I am a Christian so that is the ONE answer for me.

19 posted on 03/18/2013 8:38:17 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: EaglesNestHome

Some questions have no answer [at least not on this side of the ‘great mystery’], but are ‘over thunk’ by ‘experts’ and academics.

I am reminded of the ole college philosophical question: Why?

To which the appropriate response is: Why not?

One can spend a lifetime searching for the answer to a question that has no answer, or one can simply live one’s life. Therein is the choice.


20 posted on 03/18/2013 8:38:36 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: EaglesNestHome

I am hesitant to offer advice on a school essay ever since I got kicked out of school for my “Hot For Teacher” essay.


21 posted on 03/18/2013 8:40:52 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: EaglesNestHome

Those are the questions that all philosophy has been trying to answer for thousands of years!


22 posted on 03/18/2013 8:44:30 AM PDT by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: TomGuy

Where did we come from? Why are we here? Where are we going?
I agree that some questions have no answer, and they are certainly “over thunk!” (I love that!)

The most basic questions, however, are plainly answered, and the smallest child can understand. The question “What is truth” was asked in the time of Christ, and is in the Bible—and there stood Truth—for all to see.

Let’s not miss it, because it is simple—Christ came to earth, and witnesses saw Him rise from the dead. There is no need to reinvent the wheel here—only one man died to save mankind. The choice is to receive Him, or reject Him.
Time is short. Please don’t miss it. You are precious in His sight.


23 posted on 03/18/2013 8:44:41 AM PDT by EaglesNestHome
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To: ffusco

Yes, philosophy still asks the questions, but the answer is easy to find, if you are willing to accept it. Jesus says “Come to Me...”


24 posted on 03/18/2013 8:50:09 AM PDT by EaglesNestHome
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To: jimmyo57

Stopped going to church went back and have stopped again. I still pray but have many doubts.
_________________________________________________________

Everyone has doubts. Even one of Jesus’ disciples (Thomas) had doubts. But, please recognize that we are all here in three parts: the mental, physical and spiritual. It is not wise to ignore any of the three, so please, go back to church and be cleansed. Worship in a community and become part of it. It is very rewarding.


25 posted on 03/18/2013 8:53:57 AM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: NotTallTex

This is a valid point, and community is important also. We are human, so we doubt. However, we can make a reasoned decision to follow Christ, and be in a community of believers. Pascal’s Wager makes a lot of sense—what do you have to lose, by following Christ?


26 posted on 03/18/2013 9:00:04 AM PDT by EaglesNestHome
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To: EaglesNestHome

Where did we come from?
Well I lived my early years in a small town that was similar to Mayberry.
Why are we here?
Well I happen to enjoy Freerepublic,thats why Im here.
Where are we going?
Im thinking McDonalds for lunch,but Taco Bell sounds good too.


27 posted on 03/18/2013 9:00:54 AM PDT by Craftmore
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To: EaglesNestHome

I can give you the answers as St. Thomas Aquinas would answer:

Where do we come from? God. He is the first cause.

Where are we going? Back to God. He is the final cause, and all humans have a supernatural destiny in Him.

What are we doing? Individually, that is the purpose of discernment. We each have a different part to play in this world. For humans as a whole, it is for the greater glory of God. This might be called the formal cause.

The only one left out would be material cause, which for the Universe is Ex Nihilo.


28 posted on 03/18/2013 9:07:25 AM PDT by Seraphicaviary (St. Michael is gearing up. The angels are on the ready line.)
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To: EaglesNestHome

WHY EVOLUTION IS WRONG

Philosophy Extended News Editorial Keywords: CREATION EVOLUTION TRUTH
Source: self
Published: 04/21/01 Author: RaceBannon
Posted on 04/21/2001 12:10:01 PDT by RaceBannon
Nothing is more important to a persons understanding of life and living than his own answers to the three great questions: where am I from?; who am I?; where am I going? This is an important issue for the last 100 years, for a system of belief, known as evolution has permeated our society and way of thinking. I believe in creation, not evolution. I believe either system must be accepted by faith, for neither fits the scientific model. For either to be a theory, they must be repeatable events, observable events. Creation as taught in the Bible was only observed by God and His angels. Evolution by definition, happened when no one was around, and then continued so slowly that no one would be able to discern that evolution occurred, therefore it is also a non-observable event. I believe that whichever belief you hold, when completely understood, will guide your thinking and behavior and ultimately determine your destiny.

When speaking of creation, I define creation as the definite and deliberate act of God causing the beginning of life and material existence of all things in the universe having taken place in a literal six-day period. Evolution I define as the random gathering of individual molecules and elements that by random, chance accumulation formed the material world, and through random, chance events governed by natural laws eventually caused a collection of molecules to become a living organism which in turn progressed through another series of random, chance events expressed over hundreds of millions of years governed by survival of the fittest to eventually appear as life as we know it.

” Where did I come from” starts the argument. If created by God, then we are here for a purpose, a part of a divine plan that God has for all souls in the universe. Our original ancestors disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden and became separated from God because of their sins. God instituted the idea of sacrificing an innocent animal to take the place of death for the persons who sinned. The death of an innocent savior, Jesus Christ, fulfilled this need for reconciliation toward God.

If we evolved, then we are here by chance and for no other reason. This means that there is no divine plan for mankind along with no moral absolutes. If the evolutionist believes in God, it can’t be a very powerful God if he had no hand in our very beginning and probably has no idea what our future holds.

” Who am I? “, deals with today. With faith in a creator God, I recognize that I owe my very existence to him along with my eternal destiny. In times past, God spoke to us through his prophets until the time of the Bible actually being written and then compiled as we have it today. Many times it is written that God’s word is eternal, not conditional, and therefore is applicable to life today.

If evolution is true, then there is no objective standard to follow at any time. Morals become relative and, humanity becomes hypocritical when it comes to obeying laws. A new moral standard will arise someday and put out the old out-moded one. Mankind will be on one big ego trip psychologically, thinking itself to be better and smarter and more in touch with reality than any previous generations. Life itself would lose all important meaning with only instant gratification the driving force. Any logic-based system of morality would have no feet to stand on, for it would be based only on argument, not divine revelation.

” Where am I going? “, is the final argument. God told us that the only way to be with him at death is to base our salvation on the fact that Jesus Christ died in our place on the cross, taking the penalty for our sins, a penalty that we honestly deserve, dying for us so that we may live with him. Not in our good works, but whether we put our trust in the sacrifice that God provided for us by sending his son to die in our place. Sin was brought in the world by Adam, Christ died for those sins. If creation is true, then so is the fall in the Garden of Eden. If that is true, then we must need a savior.

If evolution is true, then where are we going? Existence of God is brought to a level of superstition, and along with that the need of a savior becomes ridiculous. With no Adam and Eve, and therefore no sin in the Garden of Eden who needs atonement? Often is heard how primitive life survived in a primordial soup, a kind of slime. From slime to man means, in time, man will evolve into a God-like state, having a superior mind and intellect. This divine man is as far ahead of us on the evolutionary scale as we are from the worm. Do worms go to heaven? Will this divine man wink at our beliefs in an afterlife?

As a child, we are told to obey authority figures like our parents and policemen. When we started school, those authority figures became our teachers and our principals. When we questioned the teachers and our textbooks, the final authority became the textbook author and the scientist; the all-knowing, objective human beings who would never steer us wrong because they had studied all the facts before coming up with their conclusions. After studying science myself for a few years, along with writings from scientists that refute another’s work, I have arrived at my own conclusion: that as a society, we have become too willing to accept as fact what someone says about a certain subject because of that persons credentials and too willing to ignore our own doubts about these statements that are made because of our own lack of education in these areas.

One of these areas most affected by our easy acceptance of ‘scientific fact’ is evolution, and specifically, human evolution. Many scientists and farmers are aware that when two animals of the same species mate, their offspring will carry characteristics of both parents, yet be unique in it’s own way. Scientists in the 19th century took this line of thinking further and reasoned that these inherited characteristics would make the animal more able or less able to survive, with the weaker characteristics eventually causing the demise of the offspring that carried the weaker traits, and the survival of the offspring that carried the stronger characteristics of the parents. Herbert Spencer, the founder of ‘Social Darwinism’, took these observed events and applied this logic to humans. Since the European race, (white), was obviously more superior to the African race, (black), in areas of speech, culture, and intelligence, Spencer thought evolution had to be the cause and used his brand of evolutionary thinking to influence many Europeans.

These evolutionary descriptions of cultural growth influenced Europe up to the time of Adolph Hitler, who used evolution to explain the differences and abnormalities of the ‘inferior’ races such as Jews, Gypsies, and Negroes. This type of thinking was also present in the United States where it was concentrated in the area of perpetuating our own apartheid system in the south. It is also the driving force behind Margaret Sangers push for abortion and forced sterilization of American Blacks in the early 1900’s.

These events happened because people listened to the authority figures instead of their own conscience. What was worse, these `facts’ of evolution were introduced into the public school system and taught as fact instead of as theory. Up until this time, creation was taught according to the Bible account in the United States, yet when ‘science’ stepped forward and said different, the die was cast. The Genesis account was put in doubt, and since no house can stand without a foundation, the historical accuracy of the Bible became questionable, along with it’s importance in one’s life.

Almost all evidence for human evolution is extremely questionable. Scientists theorize that we evolved from quadrepedal ape like creatures, (hominoids), into bi-pedal erect walking ape like creatures, (hominids), to eventually become ourselves. Many fossils have been found that are claimed to represent the various stages of evolution from quadruped to biped, yet there are ‘missing links’ between these forms.

Evolution demands that these missing links are authentic, for they would represent the transition from one group into a higher group. What does Charles Darwin say about missing links? “ The main cause of innumerant intermediate links not now occurring everywhere throughout nature, depends on the very process of natural selection, through which new varieties continually take the place of and supplant their parent forms. But just in proportion as this process of extermination has acted on an enormous scale, so much the number of intermediate varieties , which formally existed, be truly enormous. Why then is not every geologic formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain, and this perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against the theory. The explanation lies, as I believe, in the extreme imperfection of the geologic record.” (The Origin Of The Species, chap. 10).

Here, Darwin states that if evolution is true, then there must be numberless intermediate links between species. Yet, Darwin himself admits that there are NO finely graduated links between these species that have been discovered. He then goes on to say that the geologic record is hiding these transitional forms from us. How could a belief system, based on unobserved events with no proof to back it up, become so prevalent in society? In the 100 years that have passed since Darwin, we have more than quadrupled the number of fossil species that we have found and these links still have yet to be announced. Why was Darwin’s theory accepted at all when by education he was not a scientist, but a theologian?

If these links were found, how would science know where to classify these fossils? Darwinian evolutionary change happens so slow that the changes would be so minute that it would be impossible to distinguish one species from another, let alone when one species became another.

Modem science has proven through the archaeological record that the geologic column does not contain these missing links or any evidence for gradual change via evolution. Do the evolutionists give up? Nope, they just change their theories.

Evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould has introduced his theory to explain the gaps between species. ‘Punctuated Equilibrium ‘ is the new theory that species remain the same for long periods of time, and then through sudden, short bursts of evolutionary lightning lasting maybe 500,000 years or so, then reappear as new, different species. This theory explains the gaps in fossil record because there wouldn’t be enough time for significant fossils to be formed in order for us to find them 5 million years later!

Darwin said his fossils were there but we didn’t find them yet. Stephen Jay Gould says the fossils aren’t there, that’s why there are gaps in the fossil record. If I told you I did my homework, but the dog ate it, would you believe me? Once again, the proof, is that there is no proof. Evolution is such a fun theory, you can think up any zany idea from microbes on meteors to aliens with a mission to populate the universe and ‘science’ will back you up; but what happens if you say, “ In the beginning, God......

Neither creation or evolution has ever been witnessed by man. Both beliefs must be accepted by faith. Yet, in order to know which belief is to be held, all evidence must be weighed from one belief against the other.

A literal 6 day creation cannot be proved exactly, but a sudden appearance of life forms on earth, as evidenced by the fossil record, would provide fuel in any debate against an evolutionist as to whether life evolved slowly over millions of years, or appeared suddenly.

Evolution, whether sudden, (punctuational), or gradual,(Darwinian), would require an appearance of life from non-life forms. Yet, is this possible? Spontaneous generation has never been observed. This was proved by Louis Pasteur and Joseph Lister in the 1800’s when we discovered germs. Life only appears when life already existed. This is called the Law of Biogenesis.

Another way to approach this argument is to refer to the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Lord Kelvin stated it this way: “ There is no natural process, the only result of which is to cool a heat reservoir and do external work.” In more understandable terms, this means that energy will turn to a state of entropy, one of less complexity and greater disorder along with a lack of usefulness unless acted on by an outside force that is directing this energy by means of an ordered arrangement that controls this energy in a useful way. Therefore, the amount of useable energy in the universe is becoming less and less. Ultimately, the amount of energy available would be zero. Due to this fact, it must be understood that the natural state of any natural system is one of disorder unless acted upon by an outside force in an intelligent, constructive manner. Any system left to itself will begin to degenerate. If you clean your room, it will get dirty again. Any life form alive today will eventually die. Chemical compounds left to themselves will break down into their parent atoms. Energy that is directed into these systems in an intelligent manner can cause greater complexity in the organism, yet when the intelligent influx of energy is removed, the system will begin to deteriorate immediately.

Evolution would require that through random, chance processes, inorganic materials would gather in such a way to create organic materials capable of replicating themselves. This process would require immense amounts of time in order to occur, and not only time, but protection against destructive forces acting on the material that was to become life.


This process is the reverse of what we know as fact as far as the 2nd law of thermodynamics is concerned. Naturalistic evolution requires that through known, proven physical laws atoms organize themselves into increasingly complex and beneficial ordered arrangements all by chance, and all without intelligent ordering of energy or information causing the change. Over the long periods of time necessary for evolution to occur, these early chance chemical combinations would be bombarded by cosmic rays, radioactive enough to destroy whatever is exposed. This raw energy is absolutely useless to these early chemicals because they have no means to process this energy in any meaningful way. Photosynthesis may be how plants process sunlight, but we’re talking about a time before even the first cell; after all, plants have genetic information that programs certain cells in them in how to process this incoming light. Our first primordial cell would have no such mechanism built in yet to process ultraviolet radiation. Therefore, evolution cannot have occurred.

If by chance this pre-organic material formed on the surface of the earth, it would still find it impossible to become a life form for two reasons. Before the introduction of oxygen into the atmosphere, cosmic rays would destroy all life forms on the planet, for it is oxygen that is Ozone, O3. If there was an oxygen atmosphere, which might produce ozone, then oxidation would occur and destroy whatever is floating around. These forces would be the most important factors on whether life would evolve here.

If a life form did evolve, it would have to evolve with many existing functions the first time. A life form needs a mouth, a digestive system, a method of locomotion, and reproductive organs. Just examining the extreme complexity of these mechanisms should stop the argument here, but lets keep going.

With who would this life form mate? This first living form would need to be asexual or have a mate, which was it? What is the proof of either? Asexuality itself demands a complex system of operation, a complex series of commands to initiate. Since we are talking about the first life form, it had to be asexual unless you also want to believe that not only did a life form evolve from inorganic material, but it’s mate simultaneously evolved right alongside, right at the same time, in the same conditions, with completely compatible organic operation.

What did it eat? Think, not only did this life form need a mechanism of ingesting material to be processed as energy, but that material had to be nearby. How could all these internal organs evolve by chance? Think, not only the internal organs evolved, but so did the nerve system that controls these organs along with the organism’s brain along with the intelligence to operate these organs in a manner that allowed the organism to survive. If you don’t believe that was necessary, then you must also believe that some chemical process happened by chance that processed whatever came down the life form’s `mouth’ in a manner that was compatible with the organism. What happens to this energy while being digested? We call this excess material waste, and it is poisonous. How was this waste removed from the organism? How did this organism not only evolve with a mouth, but also with a method of releasing waste?

How did it survive in it’s primitive surroundings? How did any intelligent information get to these important functional systems in a manner that was beneficial to the organism? What type of brain and nervous system evolves by chance? How did something as complex as the eye happen by chance? If the organism didn’t have eyes, how did it know when to open it’s mouth when it was time to eat? How did hunger pains evolve?

All of these things speak of intelligence. Without designed and coded information, a life form is useless. The pure chemistry of a cell is not enough to explain the working of a cell, although the workings are chemical. The chemical workings of a cell are controlled by intelligent information and commands that do not reside in the atoms and molecules of these chemicals. A dead body is dead; WHY? It has all the chemicals necessary to support life already existing in a complete form with nothing missing, right?

Let’s suppose this life did survive. Mendels’ law of genetics prove that variation can occur within a species, but cannot create a new species across phylum boundaries. Acquired characteristics cannot be inherited, such as the large muscles of a weightlifter to his son. Natural selection cannot create new genes, it can only select from existing gene information nation. Dogs remain dogs, and cats remain cats.

Mutations are now the only possible explanation for evolution, yet rarely has any mutation been Proven to be beneficial to any organism in its natural environment. Almost all observed mutations are harmful and many are fatal.. There is no known mutation that has ever produced a form of life having both greater complexity and greater viability than any of its ancestors.

Over 80 years of fruit fly experiments involving 3000 consecutive generations, give absolutely no basis for believing that any natural or artificial process can cause an increase in complexity and viability.

What causes variation and change in life? DNA. DNA stores enough information to fill 1000 books, each with 500 pages of fine print. Even the DNA of a small bacterium is composed of 3 million units all aligned in a very precise meaningful sequence. It is a mathematical impossibility for a random chance arrangement of molecules to arrange itself in the form of a DNA helix.

According to Dr. John Grebe, “The 15000 or more atoms of the individual sub-assemblies of a single DNA molecule, if left to chance as required by the evolutionary theory, would go together in any of the 10^87, (10 followed by 87 zeroes), different ways. It is like throwing 15000 pairs of dice at one time to determine what specific molecule to make; and to test each one for the survival of the fittest until the one out of 10^87 different possibilities is proven by survival of the fittest is proven to be the right one.”

Evolutionists claim the universe is 10 to 20 Billion years old. There is less than 10^17 seconds in 20 billion years. Even by a trial and error combination occurring every second from the beginning of time till now, there is still no hope.

Mathematician I. L. Cohen says, “At that moment, when the DNA/RNA system became understood, the debate between evolutionists and creationists should have come to a screeching halt. Mathematically speaking, based on probability concepts, there is no possibility that evolution was the mechanism that created the approximately 6,000,000 species of plants and animals we recognize today.”

Evolutionist Michael Denton: “The complexity of the simplest known type of cell is so great that it is impossible to accept that such an object could have been thrown together by some kind of freakish, vastly improbable event. Such an occurrence would be indistinguishable from a miracle.”

Evolutionist Sir Fred Hoyle agrees with creationists on this point. He said the odds that a cell is formed by chance is equal to the odds that a tornado going through a junkyard would create a working 747 with all instruments working. Science has discovered no proof that animals or plants can evolve. The best established facts of genetics, biology, and botany studies indicate evolution is physically impossible.

Let’s turn to the origin of man, and specifically, the fossil record of `Man’. Many people believe we have `proof’ of evolution through the fossil record, yet is this true? What is the facts surrounding fossils that are presumed to portray man?

Ramapithicus, often pictured as walking erect, has been degrade to the status of extinct ape. It’s teeth and dental characteristics are similar to the gelada gibbon.(Richard Leaky/Roger Lewin Origins P.68). It has also been declared to be part of orangutan lineage.(Science News Vol 121 #5 Jan 30, 1982 P.84)

Australopithecine: not a missing link, but an extinct ape. Dr. Charles Oxnard, U. of Chicago says, “ These fossils clearly differ more from both humans and African apes, than these two living groups from each other. “The Australopithecines are unique.” (Fossils, Teeth, and Sex: New Perspectives on human evolution; Seattle U. of Wash Press)

Lucy has been compared to modem pygmy chimpanzees. Paleontologist Adrienne Zihlman, Univ. of Cal at Santa Cruz:( Lucy’s fossil remains match up remarkably well with the bones of a pygmy chimp,(although there are some differences)). Adrienne Zihlman, “Pygmy chimps and pundits”, New Scientist Vol 104 #1430 Nov 15, 1984 P.39-40

Homo habilis was once called a missing link between Australopithecus and homo erectus, and a missing link between ape and man. Current conclusions are a chimpanzee, orangutan, or an Australopithecine. (Albert W. Mehlert, “Homo Habilis Dethroned”, Contrast: The creation evolution controversy Vol 6 #6)

1 Posted on 04/21/2001 12:10:01 PDT by RaceBannon
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Sianthropus, or Peking Man, was found in China in the 20’s and 30’s. Originally, the evidence consisted of a single tooth which was declared to have characteristics similar to human and ape, and was named Sianthropus Pekinesis. Later, a skull cap was dug out of rock that the finder, Davidson Black declared that the skull size was about 960 cc, just between ape and human, and therefore a missing link. However, visiting scientists such as Grafton Elliot Smith, Marcellin Boule, and von Koenigswald believed that that size was much too large and that the skull was that of an ape. Additional evidence discovered through blasting included broken, shattered skulls with the base of the skulls broken off numbering no more than 14 total skulls, jawbones, portions of thigh bones, two upper arm bones, a wristbone, and 147 teeth and thousands of bones of animals including elephant and deer. Moreso, the skulls were mixed in with the animal bones inside the rock and showed no progression, no change over time even though the depth of the excavation was 150 feet vertically. Unfortunately, the human remains were lost during W.W.II. Clear evidence at the same site showed true man along with a 23 ft. deep ash pile and a limestone mine. All of the skulls of Sianthropus were broken in the same manner as those of monkeys who are eaten for their brains.(Ian Taylor, “In the Minds of Men: Darwin and the World Order”, Toronto Canada, TFE pub. 1984 p. 234-241) Among the interesting facts surrounding these site, is that for the most part, only Skulls were found, not complete skeletons, until the finding of 6 almost complete fully human skeletons. Other evidences existed for fully human interaction at the site, for there were numerous other animal bones there inside the ash pit. The ash pit was used to a degree that minerals on the sides of the pit were fused due to the heat of the pit.

Pithecanthropus, or Java Man, is based solely on the evidence of a skull cap dug up in 1891 on the banks of the Solo River in Java and a femur that was dug up 50 feet away and year later. It is claimed that the finder, Eugene Dubois, admitted the skull cap was from a gibbon like ape.(Eugene Dubois, “On the gibbon like appearance of Pithecanthropus Erectus”, Koniklijke Akademie van Wetenschappen Vol 38 Amsterdam Koninklijke Akademie 1935 P.578). Additional questions arise from Dubois calculations. The date chosen by Dubois is suspect, for Dubois was a doctor, a self described anatomist, yet it is he that claimed the 500,000 year old date to make his fossil the missing link.
“Dubois claimed that the skull cap and femur came from a rock stratum known as the Trinil layer, named after a nearby village in central Java. He believed that these rocks were below what is known as the Pleistocene-Pliocene (Tertiary) boundary. Dubois was convinced that `real’ humans evolved later in the Middle Pleistocene. Hence, his dating of Java Man was quite appropriate for a missing link. however, his interpretation was not exactly straightforward, as the man who later found other `Java Men’ G.H.R. von Koenigswald, tells us:
“When Dubois issued his first description of the fossil Javanese fauna he designated it Pleistocene. But no sooner had he discovered his Pithecanthropus than the fauna had suddenly to become Tertiary. He did everything in his power to diminish the Pleistocene character of the fauna...”

“The criterion was no longer to be the fauna as a whole, but only his Pithecanthropus . Such a primitive form belonged to the Tertiary!”
“Dubois view...did not go uncontested. But there was no getting at him until he had described his whole collection and laid all his cards on the table. That was why we all had to wait for a study of his finds, and to wait in vain.” (G.H.R. von Koenigswald, Meeting Prehistoric Man, Michael Bullock, Trans. , New York, Harper and Brothers, 1956. 38-39).

Not all scientists at the time of Java man agreed that this was a transitional form of any kind, but truly human. “Sir Arthur Kent, the famed Cambridge University anatomist was asked to comment on Dubois paper. He replied that the chief question to be settled on was whether or not the skull cap was human. In answering that question, one had to determine the criterion of a human skull versus an ape skull. To his mind, there were two basic differences: first, the very large cranial capacity of human skulls as compared to ape skulls, and second, the large muscular ridges and processes, connected with the chewing apparatus, which ape skulls have compared to human skulls. On both points Keith declared that the Java man skull cap was distinctly human. (Alan Houghton Brodrick, Early Man, London, Hutchinson’s Scientific and Technical Publications, 1948, p85). The cranial capacity of the anthropoid apes never exceeds 600cc and averages 500cc. On the other hand, the cranial capacity of Dubois’ Java Man was estimated at 1000cc, which is well within the range of humans living today.”
“In 1938, Franz Weidenreich described several femoral fragments of Peking Man. (Both Peking Man and Java Man are now called Homo Erectus). Whereas the skulls of Peking Man and Java Man were quite similar, the Peking Man femora differed from the Java Man femur in the very places where the Java Man femur was similar to modern humans. Since the association of the Peking Man skulls and femora was undisputed, Weidenreich concluded that the Java Man femur was not a true Homo Erectus femur but was instead a modern one. (Bert Theunissen, Eugene Dubois and the Ape Man from Java, Dordrecht: Kluwer Academic Publishers, 1989, p121).”
“The most recent assessment of the Java Man Femur comes to the same conclusion. Michael Day and T.I. Molleson compared the Java Man femur, the Peking femora, and the femur known as Olduvai Hominid 28 (OH-28) found by Louis Leaky in Olduvai Gorge, Tanzania, in unquestioned association with other homo erectus material. They state that OH-28 and the Peking Man femora, although truly human, are much more similar to each other than either is to the Java femur. Their conclusion is that OH-28 and Peking Man represents a Homo Erectus anatomy, whereas the Java femur is more modern.”
“Here then, is the problem faced by evolutionist paleoanthropology. If the Java skull cap and femur actually belong together, then it is difficult to maintain a species difference between homo Erectus and Homo Sapiens. The distinction would be an imaginary one, and it would compromise these fossils as evidence for human evolution. If, on the other hand, the skull cap belongs to Homo Erectus, and the femur belongs to Homo Sapiens, it shows that these two forms likely lived together as contemporaries. It likewise removes these fossils as evidence for human evolution, because fluorine analysis indicates that the fossils are both the same age.”(Koenigswald, p34)(Marvin Lubenow, Bones of Contention, 1992)

Nebraska Man was a local fossil, the entire evidence consisting of a single tooth. Nebraska Man was pictured on the front page of Life magazine in a hunter-gatherer mode. During the famous Scopes Monkey Trial, Nebraska Man was labeled a genuine missing link. The tooth turned out to be a tooth of a pig. (Henry Fairfield Osborne, Hesperopithicus Haroldcookii, the first anthropoid primate found in North America, Science Vol 60 #1427 May 3, 1922 P.463)(William K. Gregory, “Hesperopithecus apparently not ape or man” Science Vol 66 #17209 Dec 16, 1927)

Piltdown Man, a deliberate hoax some blame on Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, had people fooled for years and even had its picture on Life Magazine.(Joseph Wiener “The Piltdown Forgery” London Oxford U. Press)

Neanderthal Man was found in Neanderthal Valley in West Germany. Long accepted as a missing link, Neanderthal man has been proven to be human, very similar to Europeans today, yet with proven diseases such as rickets, syphilis, and arthritis.(Carl Hodge “Neanderthal Traits Extant, Group Told” The Arizona Republic Vol 99 #186 P. B-5)

There is no proof that man evolved from an ape like creature. In fact, many fossils of man have been found, dated to coincide with the ages of these extinct apes:

Petralona Man, found in a stalagmite 700 thousand years old.(Current Anthropology Vol 22 #3 June 1981 P.287)

Human Jawbone found in China in Yangtze River dated 2 million years old.(Java Man is only 500 thousand)(Mesa Tribune Mesa Arizona Nov 20 1988)

Also, there are some findings that contradict all known science:

Human skeleton found 1. 6 million years old, by Richard Leaky( Wash. Post Oct 19, 1984)

Evolutionists themselves disagree on just what the fossils mean and just how old they are. Consider the following:

RUINED FAMILY TREE: “either we toss out this [skull 11470] or we toss out our theories of early man,” asserts anthropologist Richard Leakey of this 2.8 million year old fossil, which he has tentatively identified as belonging to our own genus. “It simply fits no previous models of human beginnings.” The author, son of famed anthropologist Louis S.B. Leakey, believes that the skull’s surprisingly large braincase “leaves in ruins the notion that all early fossils can be arranged to an orderly sequence of evolutionary change.” NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, June 1973, p.819

HUMAN BRAIN: “Leakey further describes the whole shape of the brain case [skull 11470] as remarkably reminiscent of modern man, lacking the heavy and protruding eyebrow ridges and thick bone characteristics of Homo Erectus.” SCIENCE NEWS, April 3, 1972, p. 324

“OLD” MODERN MAN: Louis Leakey, “In 1933 I published on a small fragment of jaw we call Homo Kanamens 1s, and I said categorically that this is not a near-man or ape, this is a true member of genus Homo. There were stone tools with it too. The age was probably around 2.5 to 3 million years. It was promptly put upon a shelf by my colleagues, except for two of them. The rest said it must be placed in a “suspense account”. Now, 36 years later, we have proved I was right.” Quoted in Bones of Contention, p.156

THE OLDEST MAN: “[African footprints]... they belonged to the genus Homo (or true man), rather than to man-apes (like Australopithecus, who was once thought to be the forerunner of Man but is now regarded as a possible evolutionary dead end)... they were 3.35 to 3.75 million years old... they would, in Mary Leakey’s words, be people ‘not unlike ourselves’” TIME, Nov. 10, 1975, p.93

TOO HUMAN TOO OLD: Russell H Tuttle, Professor of Anthropology, University of Chicago, Affiliate Scientist, Primate Research Center, Emory University, “In sum, the 3.5 million year old footprint trails at Laetoli site G resemble those of habitually unshod modern Humans... If the G footprints were not known to be so old, we would readily conclude that they were made by a member of our genus... in any case, we should shelve the loose assumption that the Laetoli footprints were made by Lucy’s kind...” NATURAL HISTORY, March 1990, p. 64

Human footprints, dated 3.75 million years old at Latolil (Nature Vol28 #5702 Mar 22.1979, P.317-323)

MODERN AND TALL: Richard Leakey, “... the boy from Tukana was surprisingly large compared with modern boys his age... he would probably go unnoticed in a crowd today. This find combines with previous discoveries of Homo Erectus to contradict a long held idea that humans have grown larger over the millennia,” NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, Nov. 1985, p. 629

MAN EVEN BEFORE “LUCY”: Charles E. Oxnard, Dean, Grad School, Professor Biology and Anatomy, USC, “...earlier finds, for instance, at Kanapoi, existed at the same time as, and probably even earlier than, the original gracile Australopithecines... almost indistinguishable in shape from that of modern Humans at four and a half million years...” AMERICAN BIOLOGY TEACHER, Vol. 41, May 1979, p.274

HENRY M. MCHENRY, U of C, DAVIS, “The results show that the Kanapoi specimen, which is 4 to 4.5 million years old, is indistinguishable from modern Homo Sapiens...” SCIENCE, Vol. 190, p.28

WILLIAM HOWELLS, HARVARD, “With a date of about 4.4 million years, [KP 2711] could not be distinguished from Homo Sapiens morphologically or by multivariate analysis by Patterson or myself in 1967 (or by much searching analysis by others since then). We suggested that it might represent Australopithecus because at the time, time allocation to Homo seemed preposterous, although it would be the correct one without the time element.” HOMO ERECTUS, 1981, pp. 79-80

What do evolutionists and other well respected scientists say about evolution? Evolutionists themselves disagree, and those with scientific backgrounds often deny the evidence of evolution. Consider these sources:

The Dissidents No less an authority than the world-renowned paleontologist (with Dr. Colin Patterson) for the British Museum of Natural History, Dr. N. Etheridge, has remarked: “Nine tenths of the talk of evolutionists is sheer nonsense, not founded on observation and wholly unsupported by facts. This museum is full of proofs of the utter falsity of their views. In all this great museum, their is not a particle of evidence of the transmutation of species.” (quoted by Lindsay Gordon, Evolution - The Incredible Hoax, 1977)

Sir Ernest Chain, 1945 Nobel Prize winner for developing penicillin, in D.T. Rosevear’s Scientists critical of Evolution, July 1980, p.4: “To postulate that the development and survival of the fittest is entirely a consequence of chance mutations seems to me a hypothesis based on no evidence and irreconcilable with the facts.”

Dr. Werner von Braun, one of the leading scientists in NASA’s Apollo project (many of you interested in space exploration know the name), wrote the following in a letter to the California State Board of Education, September 14, 1972: “To be forced to believe only one conclusion - that everything in the universe happened by chance - would violate the very objectivity of science itself. Certainly there are those who argue that the universe evolved out of a random process, but what random process could produce the brain of man or the system of the human eye?... We in NASA were often asked what the real reason was for the amazing string of successes we had with our Apollo flights to the Moon. I think the only honest answer we could give was that we tried to never overlook anything. It is in that same sense of scientific honesty that I endorse the presentation of alternative theories for the origin of the universe, life, and man in the science classroom, It would be an error to overlook the possibility that the universe was planned rather than happened by chance.”

Dr. Pierre P. Grasse, editor of the twenty-eight volumes of “Traite de Zoologie” and ex-president of the Academie des Sciences is considered to be the most distinguished of French zoologists. His conclusions? “The explanatory doctrines of biological evolution do not stand up to an in-depth criticism.” (The Evolution of Living Organisms)

P. Lemoine, a president of the Geologic Society of France, editor of the Encyclopedie Francaise, and director of the Natural History Museum in Paris, has concluded: “The theories of evolution, with which our studious youth have been deceived, constitute actually a dogma that all the world continues to teach; but each, in his specialty, the zoologist or the botanist, ascertains that none of the explanations furnished is adequate.... It results from this summary, that the theory of evolution, is impossible.” (Introduction: De L’Evolution? in 5 Encyclopedie Francaise)

Dr. Hubert P. Yockey, A Calculation of the Probability of Spontaneous Biogenesis bt Information Theory, Journal of Theoretical Biology, 1977, Vol. 67, p.398: “One must conclude that, contrary to the established and current wisdom, a scenario describing the genesis of life on earth by chance and natural causes which can be accepted on the basis of fact and not faith has not yet been written.”

Dr. Derek V. Ager, Geologist, Imperial College, London, Proceedings of the Geological Association, Vol. 87, 1976, pp.132 - 133: “It must be significant that nearly all the evolutionary stories I learned as a student... have now been debunked.”

Dr. Michael Denton, Molecular Biologist, evolutionist, concludes his 1986 book Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, thus: “Ultimately, the Darwinian theory of evolution is no more or less than the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century.... The truth is that despite the prestige of evolutionary theory and the tremendous intellectual effort directed towards reducing living systems to the confines of Darwinian thought, nature refuses to be imprisoned. The “mystery of mysteries” - the origin of new beings on earth - is still largely as enigmatic as when Darwin set sail on the Beagle”.

Finally, the aforementioned Dr. Colin Patterson, a senior paleontologist at the British Natural History Museum, remarked in a 1981 lecture at the American Museum of Natural History: “Can you tell me anything you know about evolution, any one thing... that is true? I tried that question on the geology staff at the Field Museum of Natural History and the only answer I got was silence. I tried it on the members of the Evolutionary Morphology seminar at the University of Chicago, a very prestigious body of evolutionists, and all I got there was silence for a long time and eventually one person said, “I do know one thing - it ought not be taught in high school.”

http://web.archive.org/web/20010816194704/http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ae1db0976d0.htm


29 posted on 03/18/2013 9:11:19 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Telling the truth about RINOS, PAULTARDS, Liberals and Muslims has become hate speech)
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To: EaglesNestHome
Were you there at The Big Bang? Or is this faith in “The Big Bang” based on blind faith in authority? Can something come from nothing, with no outside force or intelligence?

I assume that you are going to be equally demanding of corroborating evidence and fact-based arguments when the theists proffer their answers, right?

A question for you, regarding Matthew 16:28*: What did Jesus expect his listeners to think he was saying when he told them that? Or expressed differently: What would a reasonable person, hearing that, think was the amount of time to which Jesus was referring? Does that statement suggest a waiting period consisting of a) a few days; b) a few weeks or months; c) a year or more; d) one or more decades; or e) thousands of years?

Regards,

*"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

30 posted on 03/18/2013 9:18:10 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: EaglesNestHome

[[Where did we come from? Why are we here? Where are we going?]]

Concidering that life from non life is biologically, physically, chemically, mathematically impossible (not just improbable- but overwhelmingly impossible such as htere is NO chance it coudl have happended), and conciderign that irreducible complexity is so complex as to need a designer- there can be only one answer- We came from an intelligent designer- period- you can NOT get pure chemicals needed for life out of naturally impure chemicals, now can you sustain an environment in which to seperate left hand amino acids from right hand amino so that they don’t naturally destroy each other which they do every tiem they are in contact with each other- nor can you maintain an environment suitible to sustain these acids with hte environment destroying them- While it’s true that a coupel of scientists succeeded in bringing amino acids into existence- they had to itnelligently design an environment to both sustain them and keep them seperated because no such environment exists in nature- and the acids were not pure if I remember right-

That’s just for hte biological probklems at the very beginnigns of life- forget about the myriad of impossibilties of life from non life after amino acids magically and supernaturally ‘got hteir start’ (accordign to evolutionists)

The mathematical probablity of just one benificial mutaiton occuring (Leavign aside the FACT that no new ifnromation is beign created out of thin air which is absolutely required for evoltuion to takep lace) is such a staggaring number/chance that it’s far beyond impossible- (Nopw, mind you- a mutation ‘can have’ a ‘benificial’ sideffect- however these are rarely truly benificial because it always involves LOSS of informaiton NOT a GAIN of ‘non-species specific’ TM information which is the exact oppositie from what evolution demands

on and on and on it goes with hte impossibilities of evolution- not to mention the second law of thermodynamics which is devestating to evoltuion even if it could have magically got a start- (some will try to argue the second law of thermodynamics can be ‘suspended’ in an ‘open system’ (or closed- can’t remember which now- but which eve4r it is, the FACT is that their arguments do not stand because even if such a system existed ‘in the past’ (and hten apparently dissappeared magically later on) it owudl have been even worse for their case- not better as evolutionsts lvoe to insist)

Once the actual impossibilities of evolution are brought together, and not simply ignroed and pushed aside tiem after time liek evolutionsts are fond of doing- it becoems very clear that irreducible complexity and all life in general NEEDED a SUPERNATURAL INTELLIGENT DESIGNER (Soem evollutionists have even becoem so rattled by the NEED for nature to have a SUPERNATURAL designer behind it that they assign the role of SUPERNATURAL Inteliigent Designer to nature itself- But as we know- nature is NOT an intelligence- it is a force- that’s it- incapable of designing anything- it can only act to move somehtign blindly in one direction or another WITHOUT ANY thought or planning

These impossibilities leave only one logical conclusion- a SUPERNATURAL INTELLIGENT DESIGNER is needed because nature is incapable of designign ANYthing- let alone such a fantasticly complex life-


31 posted on 03/18/2013 9:23:27 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: jimmyo57

[[As far as your questions go, who’s to say? It’s a matter of faith. If you believe, no explanation is necessary]]

It doesn’t even have to be just blind faith alone- the actual scientific evidnce makes a rock solid case as well- Just as God said in His word (that man will have no excuse for not believign in Him because evidence for His existence is all around us- and htis includes in science)

[[I was raised a Catholic and have gone thru 16 years of Catholic school.]]

Beign raised in a religion and goign to religious school doesn’t save- Have you personally goen before God privately and cofnessed your sins and asked Christ to be your savior? Doubt is normal- even with htem ost devout- however, make sure you have a personal relationship with God and I think You’ll see much of hte doubt dissappear- Perhaps you have accepted Christ personally- I’m just askign based on what you wrote


32 posted on 03/18/2013 9:29:04 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: EaglesNestHome

I will answer the middle question, because how anyone responds to the middle answer determines how they will answer the other two.

Why are we here?

This is a test, and this is only a test. The test is whether you can believe in a God that you cannot visually see, physically touch, or audibly hear. God wants mankind’s unconditional love, but because of the lack of physical attributes AS THEY DEEM THEM, many deny his existence. Jesus spoke to Thomas (doubting Thomas) about how he needed to see the wounds to believe. If you believe, then the answer to the first question is that you came from the creation of God, and last questions would be that you will spend Eternity with him in Heaven. If you fail the test, then who knows where you came from ... you can only guess, and many of us know where you are going, but you certainly do not.


33 posted on 03/18/2013 9:31:14 AM PDT by RainMan (It's mourning in America.)
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To: EaglesNestHome

Impossible questions. Youd have to write hundreds of pages, including the thoughts of every religion ever.
Best answers would be to look at commonality between multiple religions. Every religion contains a “creator,” a list of morals, and a reward/ punishment after death.


34 posted on 03/18/2013 9:39:32 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: Misterioso

Think about it this way:
If there is a God, and I believe in him, I’m safe
If there isn’t a God and I believe in him, I’m safe
If there isn’t a God and I don’t believe in him, I’m safe
If there is a God and I don’t believe in him.. I’M SCREWED!!


35 posted on 03/18/2013 9:42:42 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: EaglesNestHome

36 posted on 03/18/2013 9:47:39 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: EaglesNestHome

Read Hebrews 11:3. Sounds a bit like the big bang.


37 posted on 03/18/2013 9:49:17 AM PDT by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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To: RaceBannon

Thanks for the comprehensive, well-researched information. You are correct, about the importance of examining evolutionism—evolution is a belief system, not a science.

All of this can be confusing, but if you go back to the first cause, where were these first particles? How did they magically arrange themselves? One is left with the obvious conclusion that the Bible is correct:
“The heavens declare His righteousness, And all the peoples have seen His glory.” (http://bible.cc/psalms/97-6.htm)


39 posted on 03/18/2013 9:58:10 AM PDT by EaglesNestHome
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To: absolootezer0

Religion will not save you—it is a trap. Jesus is the only one, who gives an answer to the problem of sin. He is the only one, who died to save me, and to have a relationship with me. There are answers, simple enough for a child—in fact, Jesus said to the children, “Come.”


40 posted on 03/18/2013 10:05:44 AM PDT by EaglesNestHome
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To: coloradan

Calvin always has the best answers.

Where is a location question. From and to just describe locations. Where do we come from and where are we going either have the regular meaning of Calvin or are metaphors for something else. As a metaphor, when terms are used that are ill defined, you are at the abyss of language’s usefulness. What is God? Can you give me a phone number? Where is God? Why is God? You can give all the right question words for a good essay, who what where when why and how, but when some of the important concepts are not consistent with meaning communication will fail, or at least not convey what a person is trying to communicate.

That’s why Calvin is so funny. With just a few frames, he answers the deep philosophical questions that are just illustrations of where language fails, and language is just a representation of reality, not reality itself.

God is a particular case that language is ill prepared to box into a definition. Of course just because language cannot convey something, does not mean it winks out of existence, like the joke from Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.

The limitations of language is not the usual answer people like to hear, as people are hardwired to want answers, not question tools.

DK


41 posted on 03/18/2013 10:07:25 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: EaglesNestHome

i was commenting on philosophy and how religion relates to those three questions, not faith. and i do know the difference between faith and religion.

i know what my faith is and how i would answer it personally - and the simplest way to describe my faith is with Romans 10:9.


42 posted on 03/18/2013 10:19:49 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: absolootezer0

Sorry if I misunderstood you—I work with children, and I think in pretty simple terms. My take on philosophy is that you really can’t separate it from faith and religion, if you really are seeking truth to life’s most important questions. (I think that only in recent times, has this separation been attempted, with disastrous results.) Faith and religion mean different things to different people, and I appreciate hearing your perspective. Thanks for clarifying about your faith.
I agree that Romans 10:9 is simple, and it also describes my faith:
“that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved...”


43 posted on 03/18/2013 10:43:18 AM PDT by EaglesNestHome
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To: EaglesNestHome
You give us 3 simple questions! So where do you start?

First,...Does truth exist? The short answer is...Yes. It can be philosophically proven by simply asking one who says there is no truth....'Is it true, that no truth exists?' So,...truth exists. What is truth? It is simply, "that which comports to its object". All truth claims are absolute, narrow, and exclusive. All truths exclude the opposite. Truth is not invented. It exists independent of ones knowledge of it. Truth is transcultural and unchanging. All truths are absolute truths.

So, how can we come to know the truth? Are we to declare truth based on sociological reasons or physchological reasons or religious reasons? No, no, no. Consider philosophical reasons. Philosophical demand consistency, coherence completeness, and and explaination (epistemic and ontological). Epistemic rationals order justification and warrant for truth and does not simply make unwarranted declarations. So, how is truth known. The process of discovering truth begins with the self-evident laws of logic and are called First Principles. They are called First principles because there is nothing behind them. They are not proved by other principles of logic. (Please carefully examine Natural Law...things which we cannot not know.) To learn issues regarding theological truths we employ the same philosophical reasoning as those trying to understand science...we use logic, observation, and induction (inductive reasoning). We learn truths about God the same way as we do everything else (though there are additional influences,too).

So, how are we to answer the question, "Does God exist'? We examine the question in the same manner used to investigate other things. For example we cannot observe gravity, but rather we observe the effects of gravity. Likewise, we observe the effects of God.

So, let us begin at the beginning. The origin of the universe. The twentiety century has largely been an attempt by atheistic scientists to disprove the existence of God. However science has largely proven, by induction, that God does exist. Einsteins General Theory of Relativity propounded an expanding universe, and thus if someone was outside the universe videotaping for the beginning to the present he would witness, first 'Nothing', then something, then inflation of the universe. Creatio ex nihilo? Yes, that is postulated by Einstein. Then the Second Law of thermodynamics seems to inductively imply that the uninverse is not eternal....for if it had been it would surely have run down like a clock. Arthur Eddington,1921,proved Einsteins theory, and Edwin Hubble discovered the 'red shift' of light in the oldest stars and proved the universe was expanding. In fact, in 1928, Hubble invited Einstein to Mt. Wilson observatory and look at the prove for himself. Wilson and Penias measured the cosmic background readiation imprint from the moment of creation...the afterglow and heat from the initial radiation. COBE (Cosmic Background Explorer) discovered the ripples of background radiation and temperature which would be expected from such an unimaginable and powerful explosion. Then WMAP went further, and codified those findings to a greater specifity. So, here we have the initially, atheists, Einstein,Eddington, Hubble, Hoyle, Wilson, Penzias, and Smoot, as well as many others, who proved a beginning. They had worked hard to disprove a beginning. But by induction they concluded that the universe was created, and whatever created it, it could be inductively concluded that that entity was unimaginably powerful to create this vast universe, that it was timeless (time began at creation), self-existent, nonspatial (there was no space prior to creation), immaterial (matter had not been created prior to creation), First Cause, and personal, in order to choose to convert nothing to something. Impersonal forces do not make decisions.

There is so much more regarding the origin of the universe, but I will leave it there.

Your second question, 'What was the cause of life?' Simply, the beginning of life requires a definition of life. Physical life is an expression of ones genetic makeup. But life is more than that. Let me explain something. J.P.Moreland was asked by his 5 year old daughter, "Wouldn't it be easier if God would just appear, and so there would be not question and everyone would know?" Moreland told her no. But he said something even more explicative. He said you have not even seen your mother (who was there in the dining room). He said if you could painless take apart your mother, cell by cell, you would never arrive at a structure or appendage where you would finally say, "There! There is your mother!" Because your mother is a soul. He was explaining that which C.S.Lewis said when asked if he believed he had a soul. Lewis responded, "No I do not have a soul. I AM a soul. I have a body." Now that said back to biologcal life. Most biologists, myself included, have not offered a complete answer to the question. Materialism makes science an irrational user of reason and logic. You see, materialism says, all there is, is matter, time, and energy. So logic and reason, universal abstract entities, to be consistent, but be denied by materialist. (That is not to say they do not use it, they simply cannot account for it). So, briefly, life is not a bag of chemicals. Biological Life is specified complexity as an expression of genetic makeup. Specified complexity is information and information is always the result of the order of mind. (I will leave the second quesiton for now).

Your third question regards purpose. It seems clear if the Darwinists are correct there is no purpose to life (see Dawkins quotes). Purposelessness leads to a conclusion of absurdity of life. For if there is no God, as Niesche said, there is no hope. Without God there are no absolute, objective moral truths and we are all left to ourselves to serve self with no regard to any others. (You must study Moral Law to helf answer your third question. See Dostoevski, Aquinus, Leibnez, St.Augustine. Read Geitner's "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be An Atheist", Craigs, "Rational Theology". I have brushed the simplistic and superficial explainations to your questions. Read Plantiga's "First Principles". Youtube has several debates on "The Great Debate (does God exist). I am not proofreading this as I had to type fast, and have a lot of work to do today....sorry).

44 posted on 03/18/2013 10:43:29 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (')
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To: CrazyIvan

Sure, but what was the question?


45 posted on 03/18/2013 11:01:17 AM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: jimmyo57

The root of the word excruciating is cross.


46 posted on 03/18/2013 11:02:58 AM PDT by donaldo
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To: Texas Songwriter

TS, thanks for such a thorough answer! You are a clear thinking person, and those are good points! Instead of doing as many ancient and modern philosophers have done, you actually seek to answer the questions, instead of the lazy way—using questions as a way to cloud the issues, and pretending there are no answers.

I am a former skeptic, who became convinced of the truth of the Bible based upon the cosmological evidence (something cannot come from nothing, and the heavens proclaim God as the only logical original source of Creation) and the accounts of witnesses who saw Christ after the resurrection. Only Christ solved the problem of sin, which separated us from God, and only Christ offered Himself for me.

Thank you, everyone who gave serious answers to these essential life questions; may God bless you and guide you! Please know that God loves you, and that He gave you life for a purpose.


47 posted on 03/18/2013 11:05:27 AM PDT by EaglesNestHome
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To a liberal, the purpose of life is to:
Masticate, defecate, urinate, fornicate, and to live a consequence free life.


48 posted on 03/18/2013 11:05:37 AM PDT by donaldo
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To: EaglesNestHome

Sorry, it was a somewhat lame attempt at humor. Just trying to brighten someone’s day.


49 posted on 03/18/2013 11:59:50 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: SMARTY

There is an answer.

Self awareness.

Perpetuation.

The first word in the book. Barashit.

house - Beyet
head - Resh
Strong, Power, Leader - Aleph
fire-(light) - Shin
Crown - Yud
Good - Tav

(Some accepted meanings of the letters that comprise that word.)

I think there is a passage somewhere in the book that more or less states, I will not rest until I have have built a house for Hashem.


50 posted on 03/18/2013 12:10:26 PM PDT by conserv8
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