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To: redgolum

Genesis and John are separate books in the library of the Holy Bible.

I find it fascinating that Protestants see Genesis as indelible fact... While Jesus’ words in John, specifically chapter 6 are a metaphor.


9 posted on 03/15/2013 11:08:30 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: rwilson99
So you reject Genesis as a metaphor, and are surprised when someone rejects John? By throwing out the former, you dump a good portion of what traditional Catholic theology says is the prophecy for Jesus’s birth, and our salvation.

I am a LCMS Lutheran. I believe in both.

11 posted on 03/15/2013 11:14:05 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: rwilson99

“Genesis and John are separate books in the library of the Holy Bible.

I find it fascinating that Protestants see Genesis as indelible fact... While Jesus’ words in John, specifically chapter 6 are a metaphor.”


Well, actually, I believe everything Jesus said in chapter 6

Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Joh 6:61-63 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? (62) What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? (63) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The problem is in you, who thinks that eating a wafer will give eternal life, even though “it is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:”. It is the spiritual regeneration of the soul, wrought by the Holy Spirit, which changes a man. And it is he who believes on Jesus Christ and embraces His doctrine who eats Him and Drinks Him to life eternal.


16 posted on 03/15/2013 11:27:38 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: rwilson99

There are NO “separate books” in the Holy Bible. ALL 66 are part of an intergrated message system sent from outside time and space. For You I suggest:
http://www.amazon.com/James-Study-Bible-Thomas-Nelson/dp/0785209301/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1363372556&sr=1-1&keywords=holy+bible+king+james+version and:

http://www.amazon.com/Strongs-Expanded-Exhaustive-Concordance-Bible/dp/1418541680/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1363372588&sr=1-1&keywords=strongs+concordance


18 posted on 03/15/2013 11:39:39 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: rwilson99

There is history in the BIble and then there is poetic language, allegory,etc. The key is to figure out context...the you can figure out which is which.


19 posted on 03/15/2013 11:43:18 AM PDT by what's up
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To: rwilson99
I find it fascinating that Protestants see Genesis as indelible fact... While Jesus’ words in John, specifically chapter 6 are a metaphor.

And yet you believe much of Genesis is a metaphor but pick a couple of verses out of the book of John and will bet your life that those couple of verses are literal...So why are you fascinated???

50 posted on 03/16/2013 5:08:15 AM PDT by Iscool (uee)
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To: rwilson99; redgolum; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; mitch5501; ...
I find it fascinating that Protestants see Genesis as indelible fact... While Jesus’ words in John, specifically chapter 6 are a metaphor.

I find it fascinating that RCs see Jesus’ words in John 6 as literal (but not certain descriptions of Him Jn. 1, 2, 8, 10, 15, etc.), while Genesis 2, 3, the tower of babel, Balaam's donkey, Jonah and the fish, Joshua's long day, etc. are fables. Why does Rome sanction such?

As for why we see Jn. 6 as figurative, see one of the recent debates like here and here and links.

73 posted on 03/16/2013 5:02:47 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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