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To: sitetest
" . . . government-run health care what it is: intrinsically evil."

ROTFL.

Yeah, so, where is your website and your record of fighting to privatize the Veterans Administration that periodically turns a hospital here and there into a horror movie? Is it the same one you have to fight against the decades long abuse the BIA health system dispenses and fails to dispense or do you have two different sites?

LOL. Yeah, "intrinsically evil" when it impacts your life, otherwise, not so much.

I don't want anything to do with anything the government runs ever again but that doesn't make hyperbole from the peanut gallery trying to put more blame off on Catholic Bishops than others is any less funny. BarryCare as "intrinsically" evil because everyone is going to get the same crap that those who had no alternative have been getting for a long, long, time.

Any time problems with the health care system have come up there's been the sound of a big broom sweeping it under the rug followed by crickets until the next horror story came up. Conservatives never had the guts to make it more like a real private industry and the left always had the guts to press for more socialization in exchange for shoving it under the rug for a few more years. Bishops are stupid to think that anything the government runs can work well, but their being stupid is a far cry from their ignoring an "intrinsic evil".

They're not a bit more evil than the people who had no problems, insurance paid for by their employer or income to afford insurance, and no idea at all how far out of whack things have gotten. The Bishops are supid for thinking nationalized healthcare is worthwhile, but they're no more stupid than the people who have ignored the mess things have become. For half the population, if their spouse has a major stroke they better drag them to the driveway and run them over before calling EMS. That way EMS will figure the stroke is due to their having been accidently run over and the auto insurance will pay. Otherwise they're only a few months or even weeks away from being bankrupt and then some.

Ignoring contraception to the extent they have, now that's ignoring intrinsic evil, but of course the vast majority of the population love contraception and don't care about the blood on their own hands. I notice that murdering millions with contraceptives doesn't come up as being "intrinsically evil" very often, now why is that? If BarryCare is as popular as contraception, does that mean BarryCare ceases to be "intrinsically evil", too?

People who are neck deep in the mud they're throwing at Catholic Bishops look just plain silly when they try to pin BarryCare on people who ninety percent of the population ignore anyway.

101 posted on 01/30/2013 5:53:03 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
Dear Rashputin,

I hope that you derived more satisfaction from your rant than one could derive sense from it.

So, let's see. I am to be criticized for my alleged failure to fight for the privatization of health care provided by the Veteran's Administration? And because “Conservatives never had the guts to make it more like a real private industry...”?

“People who are neck deep in the mud they're throwing at Catholic Bishops look just plain silly when they try to pin BarryCare on people who ninety percent of the population ignore anyway.”

So, the bishops are immune to criticism for mostly being favorably inclined to Obamacare because, well, ah,... tu quoque?

Your defense of the bishops is that they're just really igorant, not evil? And lots of other people are just as ignorant?

If a primary criticism of me is that I've overestimated the knowledge, generally, of Catholic bishops, well... that could be. I've never been impressed with their intellectual prowess, but it's possible that even so, they're less knowledgeable, generally, than even I thought.

As for me, you don't know much about me. But I've been engaged in this battle in my own little ways for over 20 years. I've owned small businesses since 1985. I don't have lawyers on retainer, I don't have an HR department, I'm the chief cook and bottle washer. Thus had little choice but to become educated about issues concerning the payment for health care. I've studied the issue, discussed it with different folks from different positions in the field, my various insurance brokers over the years, my financial guy. I've read about alternate models - the Germans, the Swiss, the Singaporeans. I've written my congresscritters (Though, living in Maryland, I'm not sure they listen much to a registered Republican who tells ‘em to cut mandates, do tort reform, outlaw first-dollar coverage, give any tax benefits to consumers so that insurance can be portable, more like auto insurance, and then folks can spend how much or how little as they want or need on health insurance, encourage high-deductible plans so that folks treat health care purchases like other important purchases they they need in life, like food, like housing, like transportation and education. For some reason, my congresscritters don't much care for my ideas.)

I know all about folks who think that health care dollars are created by faeries using pink faery dust. Most of the folks I've employed over the years have thought thusly. At least initially. I've tried to do my part to educate my employees, explaining why plans that seem great - no deductibles, no co-pays, everything for “free” are actually the most damaging, both to the individual as they encourage behavior that drive up plan costs, and to the society as a whole, as they encourage behavior that is a principle of driver of health care eating up increasing amounts of GDP.

And, as each ordinary of a diocese is also the head of a sizable corporate entity, any bishop who isn't appalled by the idea of government-run health care is either a socialist (and thus, not authentically Catholic) or profoundly, willfully, culpably ignorant. The head of a business entity has a moral obligation to know about important issues concerning his business entity.

Unless you're actually asserting that these folks are not ignorant (lacking knowledge, but not necessarily intellect), but rather are very low-IQ. Could be. I just didn't think it would be nice to suggest it.


sitetest

109 posted on 01/31/2013 4:54:05 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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