[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Exactly. The Bible wasn’t complete. And so they looked to the Church for guidance.”

The Scriptures were 2/3 complete before the Church began. There was never a time that believers did not have the Holy Scriptures. I’m not sure why that is so difficult for you to admit. But your call.

“They, and many if not most of the priests in the Catholic Church, usually don’t teach that birth control is wrong. But it is condemned as the sin of Onan in the Old Testament, and it is the “magic potions” referred to in Revelation 9:21.”

The sin of Onan was not the use of birth control. It was that he refused to raise up children with his brother’s widowed wife - as he was commanded to do. If anyone does not teach the truth, they are in sin.

“They don’t, however teach what they invent.”

A Teacher, given by the Holy Spirit to the Church teaches from the Holy Scriptures.

You also include a rant that covers so many things that are outside the scope of this thread topic, that I will set them aside - despite a great selection of topics to discuss!

My single and only point that began our conversation was that Christians ALWAYS had Holy Scripture available and taught.

[CynicalBear]

>>and it is the “magic potions” referred to in Revelation 9:21<<

Holy water, swinging incense, bleeding statues, and making a cracker into Jesus?

[terycarl]

The sin of Onan was not the use of birth control. It was that he refused to raise up children with his brother’s widowed wife

nope, it was that he "withdrew" from her and spilled his seed upon the ground......birth control

[terycarl]

The sin of Onan was not the use of birth control. It was that he refused to raise up children with his brother’s widowed wife

nope, it was that he "withdrew" from her and spilled his seed upon the ground......birth control