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To: papertyger

Excuse you - but your reply is NONSENSE.

Judgment BEGINS at the House of God. In accord with the scriptures AND the Founders, the culture of this nation was to be safeguarded by CHRISTIANS and the CHURCH. As they nearly all wrote - this experiment with liberty can only last so long as the people were a religious and moral people.

We are no longer such a people. And the entity RESPONSIBLE for losing this culture to hedonism and sin - IS THE CHURCH (and when I say ‘church’ I mean ALL Christian/biblical denominations in this country).

We LOST the culture, not politicians, not the hedonists, not the truly corrupt and wicked, they are merely doing what comes naturally. But we CHRISTIANS, we’re responsible for the loss of our culture.

How many divorces, adulteries and abortions are committed by Christians and tolerated among the congregations? How much filth and adopted filth has the church permitted their people to watch and wallow in? Even to the point of co-opting parts of it to attract numbers to fill their pews and donation baskets?

If the churches will repent and return - THEN and ONLY THEN, will the church be ready to tackle and bring the Gospel to the truly corrupt and the pagans. But the church in this country by and large no longer believes it has a duty to do Matthew 28:19-20. Many are ashamed and bought the lie that they should not sit in judgment of sin or other faiths not of Christ. Such a church and people have no power whatsoever in terms of reaching the wicked. They have a form of religion only , and WE ARE become a II Timothy 3 generation in the church.

A light on a hill cannot be hid under a bushel - and that is EXACTLY what the church has done to itself, appeasing and compromising principles and God’s Laws with man’s dictates and desires.

I’m sorry that you are not sorry about the true condition of the church in America today. There was a reason Jesus wondered aloud if He would find faith on the earth when He returned. You somehow think Americans are exempt?

Evil and wicked people will always rail against righteousness because they hate God. It is when the church does the same, by compromising with such people for the sake of getting along (Gay marriage, adultery, divorce, abortion) are you really going to sit there and tell Watchmen on the wall to stop calling the church out on it’s shallow lukewarm faith and negate the command to come to repentance?

Revival in this nation will never come without repentance happening in the church first.

if you think the church has no need to repent, then you illustrate the very reason why we lost the culture to the incorrigibly wicked to begin with.

Sorry, but your bitching about the Watchmen who are crying aloud a warning to the churches to stop being Lukewarm and regain their saltiness is no different than the Secularists who want us to shut up as well.


15 posted on 01/25/2013 2:38:24 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
How many divorces, adulteries and abortions are committed by Christians and tolerated among the congregations? How much filth and adopted filth has the church permitted their people to watch and wallow in? Even to the point of co-opting parts of it to attract numbers to fill their pews and donation baskets?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.... you just keep piling the bubblegum churches in the truly faithful ones and tell me how many of them have to become faithful before God grants repentance for the sake of the faithful Church.

Meanwhile, you can continue to congratulate yourself for challenging those who will not give you that much grief or discomfort.

You're nothing but the right-wing version of the "brave" activist who "stands up" for global warming, women's rights, gay rights, and racial justice.

I will agree with you that the entity responsible for losing the culture is the Church, but it's not because they suddenly got corrupt; it's because, like the Pro-Life Movement, they refused to recognize their enemies carefully developed strategies and built barriers against their influence, but they insist on using the same obsolete tactics and failed doctrines the "world" built specific defenses against! Then when they see they're losing, they say to themselves "we just aren't doing it hard enough" or "It's our own sinfulness that's preventing God from giving us the victory."

In short, people like you are taking the soft, easy way...you'd rather bury your "talent" by haranguing the Church instead of "risking" any of it by tangling with "the world."

If you want to preach "holiness," by all means, go for it. That is an admirable aspiration. But I'll guarantee you one thing, the Eastern Church did not fall to, and the Western Church did not survive the onslaught of islam, because one was holier than the other.

I submit God has a much bigger agenda for his people than just refraining from sin, and failure to discover, develop, and execute, that agenda not only robs people of his grace, but will end with "even what he has will be taken from him"

23 posted on 01/25/2013 5:35:17 PM PST by papertyger
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