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To: gas_dr

Presumably the ELCA are ‘followers of Sodom’, since Luther never preached that sodomy is a virtue.

“At that time the church was apostate among other things selling indulgences and claiming that this would purchase forgiveness of sin without repentance and subsequently salvation”

Indulgences are given for the dead, not for the person themselves. You don’t take out an indulgence for forgiveness of your sins.

“at that time the pope excommunicated Luther, and at the diet of Worms Luther was given the opportunity to rescind his teachings”

You’ve got it backwards - Luther’s 95 theses, about 75 were accepted by the Church. 14 or so were rejected. Luther was instructed to retain the 75 and rescind the 14 which were contrary to what the Church teaches. He refused.

“claiming the Word of God was inerrant and not subject to the papal interpretation.”

Given that he was a member of the magisterium and had teaching authority, such an argument is fatal to his own authority. One cannot divide one’s own authority as a priest from the Pope, they are one and the same.

“He further denied the diety of the pope.”

Something no Catholic believes, then or now.

“Upon excommunication, the Protestant movement was born”

Munster occurred two years prior to Luther’s excommunication, FWIW.

“All Protestants accept the low church perspective that priests and hierarchical men are not required to petition God and that our relationship is personal with God and not necessarily contingent on a relationship with a church body per se.”

Catholics believe that one can petition God without a priest, and that salvation doesn’t require one to be a member of the Catholic church, or any church for that matter.


27 posted on 01/22/2013 11:19:02 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge
"Presumably the ELCA are ‘followers of Sodom’, since Luther never preached that sodomy is a virtue."

True. But he did repeatedly plug bigamy, he actually preached you should be able to be married to your wife and your wifes sister, or your wifes niece, or marry your goddaughter just to mention a few of his more wacky ideas. He even advised Henry VIII just to take a second wife.

In his defense he did feel that out and out polygamy was bad and that put him at odds with many of the early anabaptists.
92 posted on 01/22/2013 6:34:53 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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