[CynicalBear]

“But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the judge of all, AND TO THE SPIRITS OF THE RIGHTEOUS MADE PERFECT, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.” Heb. 12:22-24.

I suppose the people Paul was writing to here were actually in heaven as well then? How about believers who are instructed to go “boldly before the throne”? Are they actually transported into heaven? Are they all spiritually in heaven?

If they are spiritually in heave along with those who have died why do Catholics need to pray to Mary and the saints to get a better chance of being heard by God if they are already “before the throne”?

[narses]

Col 4:3
At the same time, pray for us, too, that God may open a door to us for the word, to speak of the mystery of Christ, for which I am in prison.

Rom 15:30
... join me in the struggle by your prayers to God on my behalf,

Jam 5:14
Is anyone among you sick? He should summon the presbyters of the church, and they should pray over him and anoint (him) with oil in the name of the Lord