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To: Cvengr

Shame is not like judgement. Judgement flows from an individual in an official sense, while shame is a general sense of reproach and can be formed corporately and amongst a group.

You should not blame the Roman and Jewish authorities for the treatment of our Lord. He did not. He forgave them. Do you realize that what they did, they fulfilled scripture, and that without it, mankind would be lost? Also, Jesus died for OUR sins. It was, in effect the entirety of mankind that crucified Jesus. His blood is on all our hands, just as the guilt of Adams’s sin is on us as well.


22 posted on 12/26/2012 8:05:25 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain
Shame is not like judgement.

True. This is why the article preaches a false gospel. The Cross was not about shame, it was all Judgment.

You should not blame the Roman and Jewish authorities for the treatment of our Lord. He did not. He forgave them.

This is a subtle introduction of a false accusation. Blame has not been entered into the discussion in post #19.

Identification of sin is requisite before forgiveness. Our Lord, Christ Jesus, recognized sin when manifest to Him. He then identified that to God the Father, when He requested the Father forgive that sin. Until the work of the Cross was finished, Judgment was performed by God the Father.

The work of the Cross was Judgment, not forgiveness. The judgment allows a righteous God to justly forgive.

This is a fundamental difference between Christianity and other religions and stressed in the Tabernacle rituals of worship. The Perfect Justice of God is also a major stumbling block to Islam.

A common stumbling block to those drawn to Christ is confusing emotion for salvation. The article promotes this confusion by preaching a false gospel of shame as the work of the Cross.

28 posted on 12/27/2012 12:20:23 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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