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To: ravager

The caste system is integral to Hinduism, its polygamy. So the analogy of keeping caste is analogous to a person converting to Christianity but keeping his national customs, which might include some rituals relating to the tribal god. As far as material enticement, many A Christian lad or lass goes to college and there gives up his/her faith in order to fit into the secular world he/she finds him/herself. Much of India was converted to Islam in order to avoid the tax. Edmund Burke’s Anglo-Irish father raised him as Protestant so he would not be barred from the public service.


22 posted on 12/26/2012 1:01:45 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

You don’t need to tell me about Hinduism. And no, cast system is not “integral” to Hinduism. In fact it’s got nothing to do with Hinduism. And how exactly is cast system, polygamy? I didn’t quit get that part.

The analogy of a Christian lad going to college and becoming secular “to fit in” isn’t anywhere even close to a Hindu lower cast temporarily playing Christian to get freebies and then going back to his original religion.

Secondly less then a 1/4th of India converted to Islam under intense persecution and genocide not to skip taxes. Catch up on some history.

Lastly your post still doesn’t explain how it’s an attack on cast system.


23 posted on 12/26/2012 2:00:56 PM PST by ravager (I)
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To: RobbyS; ravager
The caste system is not integral to Hinduism

Hinduism is not a religion but a meta-religion, a group of religious ideas

Modern-day hindusim does not resemble Vedic hinduism -- no one worships Indra or Varuna and the Ashwamedha horse sacrifice is practically unheard of

Hinduism changed from the meat (even beef) eating Vedics to a pacifist version post Buddhism, to then ejecting much of the plurality of Aryanic gods in favor of the Hindu "trinity" or trilok -- Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma

Now it is henotheistic with the concept of Ishwara

Even the caste system was not as inflexible in Vedic times -- Vishwamitra was not a Brahmin and neither were many "sants"

Removing the caste system -- as the King of Trivandrum did in the late 1800s is not a "killer" for Hinduism.

36 posted on 12/27/2012 4:22:49 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: RobbyS; ravager

sorry ravager, but saying the caste system has got “nothing” to do with Hinduism is incorrect — Mani and the Brahmins coming from his head and the Shudras from his feet is part of Hindu mythology


37 posted on 12/27/2012 4:33:26 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: RobbyS
Robby -- you are correct, hinduism IS akin to the religion of the Romans. Both of these are Indo-European / Aryanic religions

The original Indo-european religion seems to have had two families of gods -- either inchaote or personalized gods

In the most primitive like the Baltic or Slavic or Germanic the two families of gods remained -- the Aesir and the Vanir in the Nordic legends

the more "advanced" ones put around a lot of philosophy around it -- and that was in the Indo-Iranic religions. The Indic i.e. the Vedic religion had the Asuras and the Devas -- in the earliest Veda, the Rig Veda from 2000 BC, the early gods like Varuna and Agni were called Asuras, but by the 900s Asuras were brought down to the level of "bad guys" -- not demons yet, but "sueprnatural beings who were bad not evil" -- the gods were hardly "good" either. In the Avestani, Irani world the opposite happened - the Daevas were reduced to hearth gods of the home and the Ahuras (since the "S" in Indic becomes "H" in Avestani Irani) were elevated until Zoroaster came and elevated one of the Ahuras -- Ahura Mazda to the top

In the Greek world they combined this with the Semitic god stories and you have one "family", the Olympians overthrowing another, the Titans

The Roman religion was also highly primitive -- the daevas and asuras were gods of the hearth (deva, deus, divius, divine..) that never progressed into higher philosophy unlike the Greeks or Iranis or Indians

Back to indian and you see a notable change after 700 BC when Jainism arises to 300 BC when Buddhism arises -- the old Vedic ways are thrown aside and replaced with a deeper philosophy

But Buddhism and Jainism had a tendency to stagnate thought and that's what happened after hinduism absorbed these.

India stayed running in place until the Moslems invaded

But Christianity came first in 40 AD with St. Thomas and the Asura-Deva angle got another jolt with the Asuras reduced to demons. At the same time the Dravidian gods of Shiva and Vishnu came to the fore and Vishhu absorbed many local gods and heroes to be Vishnu of the 11 incarnations.

Hindus now became almost monotheistic with the increasing separation into Vaishnavites, Shaivites etc. focusing on one god as THE god with others as emanations.

38 posted on 12/27/2012 4:46:17 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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