Posted on 12/23/2012 1:28:36 PM PST by Salvation
I should have said that some who have analyzed the scriptural references of Jesus put his birth in the spring, some say summer, most say fall, but all agree it wasn't winter.
There's a pretty good analysis of the scriptural references here.
"And... when the truth confronts tradition - usually insane anger and rage accompany those who dare cause a slave to tradition - to look into why they believe what they do."
To your point, check out post # 20 saying people who favor scripture over traditions are "haters". That's about as externe and visceral as one can get.
I acknowledge the birth of Jesus Christ at Tabernacles. I completely ignore the 25th of December...just another day off. No tree, no shopping...blissful peace.
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You act like a Muslim..
I was just getting ready to psot this. I don't know how many times I have had to explain this, even to Catholics.
http://www.cuf.org/FileDownloads/signofthecross.pdf
Catholics (The original Christians) initially made the "sign of the cross" on themselves. Wearing a cross would have called undue attention to themselves during the time of the persecutions, as mentioned in the article. Further the cross is a reminder that we are linked to Christ through he suffering death and resurrection: Colossians 1:24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church,
Additional references: Romans 8:17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
2 Corinthians 1:5 For just as the sufferings of Christ flow over into our lives, so also through Christ our comfort overflows
2 Timothy 1:8 So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God,
Yeah, just like I said “They would have condemned anybody for this heinous jewelry.”.
The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step!
Merry Christmas as we remember and celebrate God's great gift of Christ!
anyone who believes the celebration of Christmas, that is the birth of Jesus Christ, has “pagan roots” doesn’t understand the Scriptures. Mary, Joseph, the angels and shepards all celebrated the birth of Jesus Christ, and i can assure you, paganism had nothing to do with it.
but it is interesting that someone who claims to be a member of the Body of Christ, would give aid and comfort to those who attack the Body of Christ with this false “pagan roots” charge. it is doubly interesting that someone who thumps their chest about following the Scriptures, is seemingly ignorant about the Biblical foundation of celebrating Jesus Christ being born of a woman in order to redeem mankind.
it is amazing that for many people the hatred of the Body of Christ outweighs everything else they believe, even when it contradicts what else they claim to profess.
and yes, i can hear the objections already, the Church, established by Jesus Christ Himself and spread all over the known world by the Apostles, that has been here continuously for 1,979 years and will be here until Jesus comes back at the end of the world, the Church is the Body of Christ.
if you doubt that attacking the Church is the same as attacking the Body of Christ, read Acts 9:3-5 to see how Jesus treats such attacks.
That is not quite right - For example, YHWH himself named the stars... and I believe, The original constellations.
You are confounding a calendar with a religious rite. The solstice is a phenomenon that happens with or without religion ~
I am confusing nothing. The solstices are prevalent in pagan sun god worship - I can quite guarantee that YHWH would have *nothing* to do with those days. He tells us *not* to do what the pagans do and say it is for Him... It is an abomination. AN ABOMINATION.
YHWH does not change. If He didn't like it then, He doesn't like it now.
And I think that it is an 'abomination' because it distracts from what He is trying to tell us - Those days have significance, yet in all of Christianity, they are obscured to the point of insignificance.
Over and over again, the OT tells the story of the insidious incremental adoption of pagan rites and man made laws into what YHWH calls holy. Over and over again, it causes destruction.
You would do well to study the law as prophecy. Of course, adding to prophecy obliterates it's message... And as another point, as I said somewhere upthread:
The prophets describe the time of the Reign of the King, and there is not a single Christian holiday mentioned there - Yet (at least) three of YHWH's holy days are required practice for the whole world.
How do we get from here to there?
It's too bad that some people, in an attempt to denigrate everyone but "their" group, will try to make a mountain out of a molehill just so they can pound their chests and pretend pious "holiness" and a "better than you" meme. They only look silly and petty. It seems you need to go back and actually read my responses before you come back on and spit out the negative and accusatory rhetoric. Go back and read the actual points about what it is about "Christmas" that comes from so-called pagan roots. OBVIOUSLY, it is NOT the birth of our Savior in Bethlehem around 4-6 B.C. Did the Wise Men set up evergreen trees and decorate them? Did they expect Mary and Joseph to exchange gifts with them? Did this all happen on December 25??? In other words, cool your jets!
As for "hatred of the Body of Christ", better look to your own attitude there. It isn't hatred to preach the Gospel. It isn't hatred that motivates others to present the clear message of the grace of God, who loved the world enough to send his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him will have everlasting life. THAT is the reason for the season. Maybe your Christmas "spirit" will be calmed down enough to enjoy the special day. I hope so.
If He inspired the pagans to notice the solstice, that's good. We also notice it. We notice atoms, and subatomic particles, and fields, and just all sorts of things that are otherwise invisible.
If He inspired the pagans to notice the solstice, that's good. We also notice it. We notice atoms, and subatomic particles, and fields, and just all sorts of things that are otherwise invisible.
??? Where did you get that from?
If He inspired the pagans to notice the solstice, that's good. We also notice it. We notice atoms, and subatomic particles, and fields, and just all sorts of things that are otherwise invisible.
I don't think it is good - Not when it leads to abominations such as the pagans had. And I don't think it is good today either - we are on the cusp of losing our connection with the Creator and falling headlong right back into the same old pagan routines... with the thin veil of science and social justice religion for a covering.
It really doesn't matter, as we are instructed that the Torah is forever, and the instruction therein does not change. Those are the times and seasons of YHWH, and like the rest of the Torah, cannot be added to, or subtracted from.
If one starts from that bare fact, it changes the entire complexion of worshiping... And holds much of what has become 'Christianity' as false.
You'll find virtually no one who regularly follows FR believes in that concept.
I am sorry, but I have no idea what you are going on about.
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