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To: Alex Murphy
It is an odd thing to note, but one cannot really think of an Anglican crime family, a Methodist gang, or a bunch of Presbyterian mobsters.

Dixie Mafia? Not to mention the black gangs. Most of them aren't Catholic or Jewish.

This is playing up Italian (or lesser extent Irish) stereotypes.

6 posted on 12/12/2012 3:07:29 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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The article doesn’t hide the fact that it is highlighting Catholics because of the movies. And it happens to be true that no organized grime syndicate in the US was ever more successful than the Italians. No one else owned an entire big city like they did Chicago. No one else took over anything so big as the New York waterfront, the New York textile industry, the teamsters union, etc. Jews come along for the ride because the hung with Italians and because they had colorful characters like Bugsy Siegel.

This arrival is idiotic for extrapolating from it that no non-Catholic gangsters ever mattered. Gave they ever wondered what it is rap music is always talking about? Those people aren’t Italians or Jews.


17 posted on 12/12/2012 4:53:35 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Darren McCarty

The article doesn’t hide the fact that it is highlighting Catholics because of the movies. And it happens to be true that no organized grime syndicate in the US was ever more successful than the Italians. No one else owned an entire big city like they did Chicago. No one else took over anything so big as the New York waterfront, the New York textile industry, the teamsters union, etc. Jews come along for the ride because the hung with Italians and because they had colorful characters like Bugsy Siegel.

This article is idiotic for extrapolating from it that no non-Catholic gangsters ever mattered. Gave they ever wondered what it is rap music is always talking about? Those people aren’t Italians or Jews.


18 posted on 12/12/2012 4:53:46 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Darren McCarty; Alex Murphy; Tublecane; All
It is an odd thing to note, but one cannot really think of an Anglican crime family, a Methodist gang, or a bunch of Presbyterian mobsters. (Alex Murphy)

Dixie Mafia? Not to mention the black gangs. Most of them aren't Catholic or Jewish. This is playing up Italian (or lesser extent Irish) stereotypes. (Darren McCarty)

Stereotypes are indeed exaggerated truth; but the element of truth is usually imbedded somewhere...and, as I said, exaggerated.

Take the Brooklyn crime family boss, Joseph Profaci (1896-1962). Profaci "has often been described as the most devout Catholic of the Mafia leaders, although there were those in the underworld, among them the Gallos and their followers, who said Profaci embraced religion most fervently after he developed cancer. Profaci attended St. Bernadette's Catholic Church in Brookly and even had a private altar constructed in his basement so that mass could be celebrated at family gatherings by a priest who was a close friend of the Profacis. In 1949 a group of leading Italian Americans, including some priests, petitioned Pope Pius XII to confere a knighthood on Profaci, a 'son of Sicily' who, they said, had become a benefactor to the Italian-American community...These citizens...pointed out that Profaci was a most generous donor to many Catholic charities. Profaci's dream of papal approval was shattered however when the Brooklyn district attorney, Miles McDonald, protested to the Vatican that Profaci was a leading racketeer, extortionist, murderer and Mafia leader." (The Mafia Encyclopedia, Carl Sifakis, pp. 297-298)

23 posted on 12/12/2012 5:18:53 PM PST by Colofornian
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This is playing up Italian (or lesser extent Irish) stereotypes.

And Irish gangs were more than a mere "stereotype"...for a full century plus...

Besides the NY 19th-century gangs, many of which were Irish-based, by the end of that century, several powerful Irish gangs had combined on the Brooklyn waterfront to form the Irish White Hand Gang.

"Following the pattern of the Irish-American gangsters of the 19th century, the White Handers were a violent lot and could be counted on to kill one of their own if there was a quick profit in so doing." (The Mafia Encyclopedia, p. 382)

From about 1900-1925, the turf gangster war was waged there between Irish and Italians.

"After World War I, the White Handers retained a firm grip on he Brooklyn Bridge-Red Hook sections and collected tribute from barge and wharf owners. Those who declined to pay saw their wharves and vessels looted, burned or wrecked. All longshoremen had to pay a daily commission for the right to work. Some paid willingly because they were Irish and saw their salvation in the vows of the White Handers to keep the docks clear of Italians." (The Mafia Encyclopedia, p. 382)

So what about almost a century later?

"An argument could be made on both sides whether the most kill-crazy mobsters in New York in recent years [book published in 1999] were the btural hit men of the Gambinos under Roy DeMeo, who maintained what can only be called a slaughterhouse flat in Brooklyn, or the Westies, who terrorized Manhattan's Hell's Kitchen neighborhood and the surrounding West Side...Those aficionados who favored the Westies (many of whom were former choirboys) could cite as an example the fate of one of the gang's own members, Patrick 'Paddy' Dugan."...Dugan murdered one of Westies leader Jimmy Coonan's close buddies and his fate was sealed. Dugan was murdered, and in typical Westies style his body was sliced up into little pieces for disposal. Coonan retained the severed fingers, which he added to a bag full of the fingers of other victims. Coonan showed the bag to others to encourage them to be more cooperative. This hardly meant the Westies were not a sentimental bunch. They decided Dugan still was a reasonably good lad, so they took his severed head to a local ginmill, propped it up on the bar and for several hours Coonan, other Westies and frieds of Dugan sentimentally toasted the deceased's memory. They even lit a cigarette of Dugan's brand and placed it between the dead man's lips. The Westies never comprised more than a couple dozen men, but they were so kill-cracy their foes must have thought they were up against a Roman legion." (The Mafia Encyclopedia, p. 380)

25 posted on 12/12/2012 5:40:37 PM PST by Colofornian
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