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To: dominic flandry

From what I saw the Catholic church was the most outspoken against Obamacare, Obama’s lies, and Obama’s reelection. That was despite the threats the church recieved, and despite the media black out. I even had non Catholic friends comment about the veracity of the church’s anti abortion stance. There are numerous lawsuits taking place right now from the Catholic church vs. Obamacare. Obviously nobody did a great job fighting Obama. Regardless the church has done so much good, they don’t deserve to be treated like Muslim terrorists. If the Catholic church failed, where does that leave the thousands of other non-Catholic churches? Blaming is for losers.


8 posted on 12/12/2012 4:46:28 AM PST by mgist
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To: mgist

It’s true that many individual bishops have spoken out, and as the composition of the USCCB changes (and as its power decreases, because the Pope is known not to be a fan of powerful national bishops’ conferences) it is moving closer to orthodoxy. Some of the really bad ones have aged out or died, and the elderly Vatican II “pour blood on Army facilities” crowd has lost their stranglehold.

Still, the fact that so many Catholics voted for Obama shows that while the bishops’ conference may now have awakened to the institutional threat presented by Obama, they are paying the price for their years of leftist drivel and irrelevant Dem cheer-leading by having lost their moral authority among the faithful. 45 years of bad catechesis - under canon law, the bishop is the teacher for his diocese, btw - and frivolous, timid to borderline heretical bishops have left a population of the faithful that is confused and will need another 45 years of good teaching to be restored to what it was.

In fact, so many people have simply been lost - that is, they may self-identify as Catholics for polling purposes, but they haven’t darkened the door of a church for at least 30 years - that the bishops don’t really have much of a flock to lead. I guess that’s why the Pope is calling for a “New Evangelization.” The need has gone beyond merely reasserting true moral teachings and doctrine for a confused faithful, and is now a matter of starting from the ground up to build the Church again.

Certainly, we have some great, outspoken bishops and the Church (accompanied by some Evangelical groups) is the only force that is going to fight back against the religion of the State that Obama is trying to impose. But this is made much more difficult by the confusion introduced over the last 40+ years by the national bishops’ conferences.


9 posted on 12/12/2012 5:28:09 AM PST by livius
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