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To: dmz
Dr John Ross, Harvard University:

… there are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Ordinarily the second law is stated for isolated systems, but the second law applies equally well to open systems. … There is somehow associated with the field of far-from-equilibrium thermodynamics the notion that the second law of thermodynamics fails for such systems. It is important to make sure that this error does not perpetuate itself.

Open systems go toward disorder/chaos just as closed systems, though there are exceptions. Crystallization is one of those, though crystals tend toward order while lacking complexity, and life is distinguished by its specified complexity.

Open systems exchange matter and complexity, but raw energy can't generate the specified complex information in living things, and undirected energy does nothing but speed up destruction.

47 posted on 11/19/2012 10:59:23 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (The idiocracy has come home to roost. God help us.)
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To: CatherineofAragon; dmz
CofA: "Open systems exchange matter and complexity, but raw energy can't generate the specified complex information in living things, and undirected energy does nothing but speed up destruction."

"raw energy"? "undirected energy"?
These words have nothing to do with the real questions, which involve the long-term effects, over billions of years, of conditions (sunlight, temperature, water, organic chemicals, etc.) which are ideal to sustain life-as-we-know-it.
Are these same conditions adequate to create simple life-as-we-define-it from complex organic pre-life chemistry?

Answer: hypothetically, yes, but this is not yet confirmed, and represents only one idea among several of how life originated on Earth.

51 posted on 11/20/2012 7:05:27 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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