How Do You Read? (Luke 10:26) [New Church, Open]

Spirit and Life Bible Study ^ | Thu Nov 14, 2012 | Rev Dr Johnathon Rose

[Elsie]

There has always been those who exalt themselves above the Scriptures...

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2 Corinthians 11:12

And I will keep on doing what I am doing

 in order to cut the ground from under those

who want an opportunity to be considered equal

with us in the things they boast about.

 

[Elsie]

There will be no council,no comittee,no authority,no man and certainly no priest standing there with me when I front up face to face with Him with whom we all have to do.Other than of course our high priest,our friend,our saviour,our lord and our king Jesus Christ.

You'd make a mighty poor MORMON leader!!

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"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."

 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321

 

 

"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."

- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88

 

 

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"

- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)

 

 

There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"

- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

 

 

"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."

 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155

 

 

 

"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"

 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670

 

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They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.

He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.

He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.

As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.

Who has made this so?

Have I?

Have this people?

Have the world?

No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.

If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.

If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.

Can you pass without his inspection?

No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.

In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.

They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?

They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?

 Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224

[Elsie]

Which bible does the Catholic Church read and where does it say to the Apostles to Change the Sabbath from the seventh day of the week to the first day of the week?

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It's still Saturday; isn't it?

[ravenwolf]

It’s still Saturday; isn’t it?

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I thought it was, i have not been able to see any thing that said to change it.

[Dutchboy88]

"and for some,the Bible is never quite enough.We need man's wisdom,man's authority,secret knowledge,grand committees and councils etc etc to make up for the supposed inadequacies in His Word."

Well said. Grace to you, my brother.

[Natural Law]

"Did GOD really say..."

That is not my question at all. The Canon of Scripture provided us by the Catholic Church is clear and closed. My actual question is; "Did God really mean?

Peace be with you.

[Elsie]

My actual question is; "Did God really mean?

If the clear plain text does NOT give 'meaning', then it may as well be the same.

[mitch5501]

"You'd make a mighty poor MORMON leader!!"

I'm sure you'll understand if I'm not too upset by that.To be honest,who'd really want to be a leader? The responsibility would be big to say the least! I'm still aspiring to the dizzying heights of an unprofitable servant!

God bless you Elsie and thanks for the truckload of scripture! 8-)

[mitch5501]

Thankyou FRiend,God knows I need it!

I've read many of your posts over the years and appreciate them greatly.You read enough of a person's writing you start to understand where they're coming from.As I said to bb.."I like the cut of your jib"

God bless you!

[Elsie]

God bless you Elsie and thanks for the truckload of scripture! 8-)

He has blessed me WAY more than I deserve; and the THANKS! goes to the MORMON publishing house for making SO much of their information SO easy to find.

Any MORMONs who continue to BE MORMONs after being confronted with their OWN information, will have NO excuse when they stand before Joseph Smith and say...

"But our CURRENT leaders said..."

[Elsie]

You read enough of a person's writing you start to understand where they're coming from.

Indeed!

And we have a chance to reinforce that by using the great space Jim has provided; our FR homepage; to Spread the Gospel (the true - NOT the Restored®)

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If any of you Christians reading this have not yet taken advantage of this FREE way to 'preach it, Brother!'; then I heartily recommend it to you today!

Folks are really curious about others on FR, and WILL read what you've posted there!

"How do I DO this?", you ask?

Simple!

Just click on YOUR screenname (after one of your replies: PM by Elsie) and you'll be taken to your homepage.

From there you may edit your page.

[Dutchboy88]

Well, clearly with your well-thought out remarks you need to be in the middle of most of these discussions. If that has been the case, I will pay closer attention. If you have held back, then let us benefit from those observations in the future.

And, have a very grateful Thanksgiving day. He has won the war; we are just wading through the messy clean-up! God bless you, too, my FRiend.

[T Minus Four]

Just wow Elsie!!!