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To: editor-surveyor
pagan titles “mother of god”

Is Mary the mother of Jesus?

Is Jesus God?

66 posted on 11/14/2012 12:39:52 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Party like it’s 325 ...


67 posted on 11/14/2012 12:42:47 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: wideawake

Isaiah told us who the “mother of god” and “queen of heaven” was.

Pagan titles of Ishtar.


81 posted on 11/14/2012 4:24:03 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: wideawake

Is Mary the mother of Jesus?
Is Jesus God?

Pardon me for butting in here, but it has dawned on me that your propositions have huge implications to the Oneness vs Trinitarian debate.

Oneness people argue that the “Father” refers to the pre-incarnate indivisible one God, while the “Son” refers to the incarnation of that one indivisible God, God manifest in the flesh. Like humans who “take after” their Father and Mother, Jesus was God on his Father’s side, while his humanity came from his mother’s side.

They argue Mary was, thus, NOT the mother of God, for God has no mother, he preexisted the universe as the eternal Spirit. Oneness quote John 4:24 in that regard. Mary was an ordinary human just like all those in her messianic genealogy, David, etc.

Mary, of the seed of David, was only mother “according to the flesh, Rom. 1:3. Only the flesh side of Jesus, not the Spirit, his Father’s side. She was not the mother of the God part of him.

Trinitarians deny all this, arguing that Christ was not the one God in the flesh, the Father in the Son, rather only one of three divine persons in the flesh, the second person of the Trinity, God the Son, in the flesh. A preexistent Son in a Son, not the Father in the Son.

Once this was made official in the early Trinitarian councils, it led to the development of Mary being the “Mother of God” (the council of Chalcedon, AD 451).

Only by being the mother of a Trinitarian God the Son, the second person of the Trinity first, could there arise the later development of “the Mother of God.”

Your “Mother of God” argument convinces me that the Oneness people must be the ones with the truth. Else, if the Trinitarian doctrine is the truth, then this opens the door where Mary can indeed be the “Mother of God.” Which means the RCC has the truth on Mary.

On the other hand, if Oneness is the truth, then Mary cannot be the “Mother of God,” and the RCC is guilty of propagating false theology.

Your line of argument has unwittingly provided me the key to a better understanding of the Godhead. Thank you.


83 posted on 11/14/2012 4:35:59 PM PST by sasportas
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