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CHRISTIAN PASTOR: THE CHURCH IS HOPELESSLY ANTI-SEMITIC
Israel Today ^ | Nov 9th, 2012

Posted on 11/11/2012 3:12:55 PM PST by TaraP

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To: Josephat
I'll have to look into that....
61 posted on 11/16/2012 3:38:47 PM PST by haffast
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To: ravenwolf
Yes, of course Paul said shall we continue to sin ? God forbid it , of course not.

However ? the sin or sins in our lives can only be overcome by God, not in our own power or strength.

Actually ? those who believe in " FREE WILL " are the ones who have a free license to sin.

That " FREE WILL " attitude is a Greek philosophical pagan concept of autonomous, independent of.

" FREE WILL " speaks of pride of the very sort that caused Lucifer to fall because he wanted to assent to the heavens and to God's throne and be like GOD.

It's that what " FREE WILL " does ? I will, I will, I will, I will, I will ?

Lucifer said in his heart " I will be like the most high and assent to the heavens and be like God.

Those who believe in " FREE WILL " say ? " I will approach GOD on my own terms and in my own time.

" FREE WILL " is the true meaning of having a license to sin.

Those who have that " FREE WILL " thinking and beveling pride them selves and say such spiritual things like " not my will Lord but thy will be done " and GOD says back to them " OHH SHUT UP ! ".

Can't have " FREE WILL " and say that your doing thy father's will at the same time... it's either , or.

Just the very fact that you submit yourself to GOD and his will means your going up you " FREE WILL ".

Free will speaks of pride.

The only one ever who has a right to " FREE WILL " is GOD and GOD alone.

God has a free will that is sovereign in all the universe and rightfully so.. no one else.

You heard in the bible " doing thy father's will ? "

Can't be doing " THY FATHER'S WILL " when someone is stuck on their own " FREE WILL " can't have both... it's either ? or OR.


Of course ?

Right one time and so predictable,

I know very well there are those who with their noses looking down in their pride will say " ohh that's a bunch of mumbo jumbo ".
Of course the bible says that the things of the spirit of GOD are foolishness to the natural man and in the mind of the natural man because the natural man does not understand the things of the spirit of GOD.
Free will give's glory to man.. and what glorifies man in his pride is not GOD.
Don't know how this Pagan Greek philosophical conceit of man's free will crept into the church and Christian thinking.
62 posted on 11/17/2012 9:30:44 AM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: Josephat
In the 12th chapter of the book of Hebrews the bible tells us that " OUR FAITH " is produced by another.

Does not ?
The bible say ? that Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith ?

So ?
If God is the author and finisher of our faith ?
Then ? it was produced in us by the holy spirit working on us and in us ?

Therefore ? " FREE WILL " had nothing to do with God sending the holy spirit to regenerate us ?
Right ?
and ?
If the holy spirit was the one who produced, who was the author and will be the finisher of our faith ? then ? free will has nothing to do with it.

In the book of Ephesians 2nd chapter.

2. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

All of us were " DEAD " in our trespasses ?
Isn't that correct ?
We were eternally separated from GOD in our sins and trespasses against him.
As far as GOD was concerned we were dead, no hope for us.
But GOD who is rich in MERCY made us alive in Christ.

How can a spiritually dead man make him self alive unto GOD ?

The bible also tells us, that NONE, yes, none seek after GOD.

Abraham didn't seek GOD, GOD seek after Abraham and chose him.

The free willers tell us, that some how we in our own free wills some how seeked GOD and some how made our selves alive.
How can a already dead man make him self alive unto GOD when GOD saw them all dead in sins and trespasses ?

Yeah, Yeah, all the old strawman arguments of " well then ? if there is no " FREE WILL " why bother to evangelize when these people are going to be saved anyway " ...

Why preach the Gospel and Evangelize ?

Maybe because God tell's us to ?
He commands us to go out unto the fields that are white unto harvest.

The bible says in the book of ACTS:
Acts 13:48

And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

See that word ? ORDAINED ? means, appointed.

There is no " FREE WILL " there.

All this mumbo jumbo strawman argument that some how God knows all things and looked down the corridor of time and these people with their " FREE WILLS " believed on Christ, therefore GOD predestined them, saved them.

Predetermined, Ordained means to have made a choice, to make a decreed, to determine before hand.


They say ?

Well GOD saw these people come to faith to Christ.

Once again ? someone coming to the faith is not their own doing.
Who did it ? who is the " author and finisher " of our faith ?

Even IF God looked down the corridor of time and saw these people coming to faith in Christ is because GOD sent the holy spirit to these people to work on their hearts and give them this gift of faith in Christ.


It's all by GOD's doing, not mans.


Free will speaks of being independent of GOD.

The only " BEING " in this universe who has true " FREE and SOVEREIGN WILL " is GOD and GOD alone.

That so called " FREE WILL " is what cause Lucifer to rise up in his pride and said to himself that he wanted to be like GOD, to ascend to GOD's throne, and be above GOD's throne.

Besides ?

How can any one be " DOING THE FATHER'S WILL " when they are stuck on them selves in their own " FREE WILL " ?

Can't have both, saying that your doing thy father's will and at the same time have free will.

Free will is anti-doing thy father's will.
To do thy father's will ?

You have to humble your self in your own " FREE WILL " and submit your self to GOD's will, not yours.

That's what the true meaning of what humility is... denying your self and your " FREE WILL ".
63 posted on 11/17/2012 10:05:27 AM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

However ? the sin or sins in our lives can only be overcome by God, not in our own power or strength.


I agree with that for sure.

But not sure what the comment is about because i said nothing about free will.


64 posted on 11/17/2012 12:14:16 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf
Sorry if I got long winded,, I got into the preaching mode.
I was using up white space to type.
65 posted on 11/17/2012 11:38:16 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

Sorry if I got long winded,, I got into the preaching mode.
I was using up white space to type.


No problem,

l say something that is not quite right at times, so i was just under the impression that this may have been one of those times, but did not know what it was.

I do not mind listening to the views of others.


66 posted on 11/18/2012 5:02:16 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: American Constitutionalist

Therefore ? “ FREE WILL “ had nothing to do with God sending the holy spirit to regenerate us ?

It has everything to do with how or if we welcome the Holy Spirit and the Gift of Jesus.


67 posted on 11/20/2012 6:28:24 AM PST by Josephat
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