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To: Dutchboy88
"At least he recognized what the Scriptures taught..."

Then it makes his complete disregard for them even more sinister. Sola Scriptura is not scriptural.

You would be more credible if you refrained from ad hominem attacks on the Church and tried to substantiate your claims. Hoc est corpus meum, this is my body. Luther began with the premise that the authority of the Church must be broken and then manipulated Scripture to achieve that end. To achieve this he had to convince people that the priests did not have the capability of confecting the Eucharist which is the source and summit of Catholic faith.

He did this by eliminating Holy Thursday from the Protestant doctrine effectively separating the Last Supper from the Paschal mystery. In the Seder, the Jews make present the first Passover, they do not recreate it. Similarly, Catholics make present the one sacrifice during the Liturgy of the Mass. The parallel is real and intentional and we experience the Real Presence. He undermined the concept of “ex opere operato”, from the work of that which has been done, by changing it to “ex opere operandis”, out of the work of the minister, and then undermined the minister.

Nothing was beyond his ambitions to make of himself the preeminent Doctor of the Church, another Paul if you will. The elimination of books from the bible that clashed with his ideas, the diminishing of some calling them “epistles of straw” , and the reinterpretation of others were his means. He denied transubstantion and reduced the creation of God made in His own image to, in his own words, nothing more than a “pile of dung covered with snow”. His greatest sin was the attack on the idea of a communion of believers as the nature of man and the replacement of it with individualism that make each man his own pope and magisterium and set him at odds with all others.

Even the constant criticism of Catholics seen within these threads can be traced to Luther. The irony is not lost that the greatest criticism is of those Catholics who do not follow the tenets of Catholic faith, who ignore the teachings of the Church and the instructions of their bishops and live and vote a conscience developed completely within their own reason, effectively becoming Protestants.

Peace be with you

8 posted on 11/11/2012 12:24:15 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law
"You would be more credible if you refrained from ad hominem attacks on the Church and tried to substantiate your claims."

No, my FRiend, you would be believable at all if you could prove from the text (documents which pre-date the Roman abortion) that the Roman abortion is the "Church". It is your crazy cult which has started this unsubstantiated, self-proving, self-aggrandizing myth. The believers around here are simply calling it out.

The "once and for all" sacrifice will not and does not re-appear to anyone. Your cult again, crucifies to youselves the Son of God, and puts Him to open shame. This is the same despicable activity the Judaizers encouraged during the first century and Paul condemns it in the strongest of language. We repeat that condemnation. Shame on Rome.

The shadows were there simply to be pre-cursors, the celebration of bread and wine is simply to be a reminder. That your organization cannot read the simplest of Scriptures, "By this will we have been sanctified throught the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Heb. 10:10 is only proof that the mythical traditions of men have overtaken you.

We call you out into the light of Jesus, alone...if He permits. Come find a peace that the rotting flesh of Rome cannot offer...if He allows.

9 posted on 11/11/2012 1:00:09 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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