Nice try. You guys tried to tie Mitt to the so called “prophesy” that never was. Way to sow seeds that helped Obama win, you should be so proud.
This entire WHP thing has been debunked, and was strongly done so nearly a hundred years ago in General Conference no less.
What the WHP borrowed from was a truth that has yet to happen.
And as Ezra Taft Benson, President of the LDS Church explained so very clearly, the Constitution WON”T BE SAVED IN WASHINGTON.
The constitution hanging by a thread has yet to happen. If you don’t believe it, then you’re not opening your eyes to the Obamanation.
Here’s what an LDS President actually said a few years ago:
“I have faith that the Constitution will be saved as prophesied by Joseph Smith. BUT IT WILL NOT BE SAVED IN WASHINGTON. It will be saved by the citizens of this nation who love and cherish freedom. It will be saved by enlightened members of this Church—men and women who will subscribe to and abide by the principles of the Constitution.”
http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=87
You have it seems to be but one purpose here, to sew discord among patriots. Those who love freedom, as was attested to by the change in FR over the last few months will ignore your tripe, I can only hope.
Speaking of sowing "discord among patriots", there are 52,000 mormon missionaries (soon to be many more) going about the country "sowing discord" by claiming to Christians that their Christian faith is bogus and that the only way to salvation is through arcane rituals in a mormon temple.
Those who love freedom, was attested to by the change in FR over the last few monthsl ignore your tripe, I can only hope.
As far as the "change in FR", I haven't seen Jim Robinson refute this post he made on 8/21/2012:
At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.
If indeed, JR has refuted this statement, please provide the source stating so. He has stated his support for Romney, but I have not seen any indication that he has changed his stance on mormonism, and to my knowledge NONE of the so-called "anti-mormon" FReepers have been banned for their rebuttal on FR of mormon proselytizing.
Your comment labeling "Those who love freedom" as Romney supporters only, is about as convincing as the claim that Joseph Smith "restored" the true Gospel to the world which is total "tripe".
This election has just proven that Joseph Smith again made a false prophecy.
How many excuse will we hear about on how Obama won? Except the real one, he stole it! Did you really think the destroyer would go away that easily? He was from the beginning of time. You should apologize to Colofornian but...
Debunked by whom?
Certainly not by my mormon family, who go all the at back to Smith and Young.
This alleged debunking is a new mantra by LDS.
Rip, I appreciate your comments...glad you feel free to chip in here.
But if I could look you in the eye, and ask you, if religious legalism is "freeing," what might your response be?
Lds leaders impose law after law after law upon Mormons -- who must obey in order to be deemed "worthy"...
(1) You HAVE TO be obedient to all the commandments & ordinances of the Mormon god
(2) You HAVE TO tithe -- what Lds reference as the "Law of consecration"
(3) You HAVE TO obey the "Word of Wisdom" -- not drink coffee, etc.
(4) You HAVE TO follow the law of eternal marriage...get married -- sorry, no never-married single people allowed
(5) You HAVE TO have as many children as possible
(6) You HAVE TO perform temple work for the dead
(7) You HAVE TO perform endowments essential for this highest degree of salvation
(8) You HAVE TO be a member of the right church (Lds)
(9) You HAVE TO receive & perform the rites and ordinances established by that church
(10) You HAVE TO follow the 'prophet'
(11) You HAVE TO observe the law of the fast
(12) You HAVE TO -- as if it wasn't a "want to" -- "pray often"
(13) Instead of treating repentance as a God-given gift, you HAVE TO treat it as a "law" -- and if you commit the same sin over again, it nullifies any previous "repentance" you did regarding that sin, treating it as if you never repented
(14)You HAVE TO have Joseph Smith's consent to enter into your highest afterlife
And then, of course, there's the obvious Biblical laws (10 commandments) -- which the apostle Paul warned didn't lead to receiving the Spirit:
1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? 4 Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is EVERYONE who does not continue to do EVERYTHING written in the Book of the Law.” (Gal. 3:1-6, 10)
Bottom line: The LDS are the "rules oriented" ones: The purity and perfection we seek is unattainable without this subjection of unworthy, ungodlike urges and the corresponding encouragement of their opposites. We certainly cannot expect the rules to be easier for us than for the Son of God... (Lds "prophet" Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 28)
Just look @ all the "rule extensions" Lds have imposed upon their followers in order to make it to the highest degree of afterlife...That is 19th-20th-21st century legalism!
In contrast, God's truth is "the concept of free and full forgiveness through Christ" rather than the "earned forgiveness taught in Mormonism."
And as Ezra Taft Benson, President of the LDS Church explained so very clearly, the Constitution WON”T BE SAVED IN WASHINGTON.
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ETB was senile and bedridden the last few years of his life...
Other Mormon leaders made the decisions and signed his name to documents...
Nice try. You guys tried to tie Mitt to the so called “prophesy” that never was.
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FAIL Rip. The prophecy is engraved in the LDS owned/run museum at the Liberty Jail (where it was given). The leaders have consistently taught it in General Conference.
Give it up, like it or not, the prophecy existed and is false.
What change was made at FR, that suddenly switched it into a freedom loving site?
In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.
1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.
I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.
Ezra Taft Benson
(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University) http://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng
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