Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
The American Civil War.
They got half this prophecy right. The Constitution is on a thread.
Mitt wasn’t the right Mormon—that’s all.
I always find it amazing how some people will listen and others just put on their blinders and just cry "bigot" when people are bringing up the truth.
Colofornian and others are tireless in their efforts to bring up the truth. I have long given up on people but I also thank the Inmans for their strength and perseverance in exposing what Mormonism really is.
His daughter, Mary Ann Neff, married the notorious Mormon gunslinger and Utah folkhero Orrin Porter Rockwell.
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Hey this author has better Mormon royalty creds than Willard...
You are welcome. I grew up around Mormons, so I know what you’re writing about.
Albert Einstein supposedly once said that LDS Church apostle James E. Talmage was the smartest man he had ever met.
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Well Talmage does have that one big thing going for him...
Hes not responsible for ORCA
and Einstein himnself didnt touch it with a 40 foot pole...
Your response: The American Civil War.
Except that in 1833 -- Jan. 4 to be precise -- vol. 1 of the Lds official "History of the Church" records this prophecy of Smith's as to how bad this "coming" disaster would be upon the United States:
And now I am prepared to say by the authority of Jesus Christ, that not many years shall pass away before the United States shall present such a scene of bloodshed as has not a parallel in the history of our nation: pestilence, hail, famine, and earthquake will sweep the wicked from this generation from off the face of the land...therefore I declare unto you the warning which the Lord has commanded to declare unto this generation, remembering that the eyes of my Maker are upon me, and that to him I am accountable for every word I say. (History of the Church, Vol. 1, p. 315, Jan. 4, 1833)
Ya wanna tell us about which earthquake that was for that "generation" -- not many years from 1833 -- which swept the wicked away?
What severe "pestilence" and "hail" came upon the U.S.? What year? When? What damage resulted that was worth a prophecy commanded by the Mormon god to make?
Deuteronomy 18 says that when a prophecy doesn't come to pass, we know the speaker was a false prophet.
It only takes one conviction for robbery to be labeled a robber; one conviction for murder to be deemed a murderer; Joseph Smith had a series of false prophecies, from the United Order being "everlasting" -- to David W. Patten serving a mission that didn't take place because he died the following spring...to others...
One of his favorite ‘signs’ that he liked to talk about was that a great Mormon leader would be elected President of the United States, and this would be a major indication that the Last Days were imminent, e.g. the White Horse Prophecy.
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were doomed then...
Obama is a Mormon...
Here are at least 3, one going back to an official statement clear back in 1918.
In General Conference, October 1918, Joseph F. Smith made the following comments:
The ridiculous story about the “red horse,” and “the black horse,” and “the white horse,” and a lot of trash that has been circulated about and printed and sent around as a great revelation given by the Prophet Joseph Smith, is a matter that was gotten up, I understand, some ten years after the death of the Prophet Joseph Smith, by two of our brethren who put together some broken sentences from the Prophet that they may have heard from time to time, and formulated this so-called revelation out of it, and it was never spoken by the prophet in the manner in which they have put it forth. It is simply false; that is all there is to it.
Elder Bruce R McConkie also commented on the so called “prophecy”:
From time to time, accounts of various supposed visions, revelations, and prophecies are spread forth by and among the Latter-day Saints, who should know better than to believe or spread such false information. One of these false and deceptive documents that has cropped up again and again for over a century is the so-called White Horse Prophecy. This supposed prophecy purports to be a long and detailed account by the Prophet Joseph Smith concerning the wars, turmoils, and difficulties which should exist in the last days.
In 2010 the Church released a statement on the “‘White Horse Prophecy:
“The so-called ‘White Horse Prophecy’ is based on accounts that have not been substantiated by historical research and is not embraced as Church doctrine.”
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Again, it has been said by LDS Leadership repeatedly that the Constitution will “NOT BE SAVED IN WASHINGTON”.
If you all choose to ignore such statements to fit your agenda, that’s up to you. You will interpret however you see fit. I’ve said my peace. Out.
Well, if you grew up 'round Mormons, then you know had Romney won, the reverse would have happened: Lds would have already been bringing up this prophecy to others.
To paraphrase one ex-Mormon as he put it after the election, "This would have sucked if I'd had to listen to this every day for the next four years."
yes but first you have to cut the Freemasonry signs off the “breasts” and knees and bury them reverently in the dirt...
Did you actually read my post? My mormon family believes in the WHP, they go back to Smith and Young - they believe it and believe that Mitt Romney was the answer.
I do not care what the PR spin is, they believe it their friends believe it, that is the reality not the PR
And as Ezra Taft Benson, President of the LDS Church explained so very clearly, the Constitution WON”T BE SAVED IN WASHINGTON.
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ETB was senile and bedridden the last few years of his life...
Other Mormon leaders made the decisions and signed his name to documents...
I think Glenn Beck does think he is the fulfillment of the prophecy (just like Mitt and probably Reid), but while the LDS went whole hog to back Mitt, Beck and Reid won’t get as much support simply because they are converts while Mitt is “Mormon royalty” - pioneer stock who had an uncle who was next in line to be prophet when he died.
Mormons have this hierarchy based upon how ‘valiant’ you were as a spirit child in the ‘war in heaven’.
LDS Prophet = Very Very Valiant
LDS Pioneer/descendents = Very Valiant
Child of Converts born ‘in the covenant’ = valiant
convert = less valiant (and that kinda depends on the age you converted, if young enough to be married in temple and go on mission more valiant than later converts)
Blacks = fence sitters
Have you no shame in making such statements? This is why I don't engage you, because of your tactics. Do not expect another post from me to you.
Ezra Taft Benson, speaking in his own words: THE CONSTITUTION WILL NOT BE SAVED IN WASHINGTON.
ALL: Ripliancum, a Mormon apologist, cites one Lds "prophet" at a general conference (1918). My posts #3 & #4 -- coupled with post #1 -- references four Lds "prophets" making statements spanning over 50 years! (1912-->1963)
In fact, Rip cites Joseph F. Smith's 1918 statement...but note Joseph F. Smith was on both sides of the fence on this one...'Cause at the October 1912 General Conference, Joseph F. Smith said:
“Joseph Smith... predicted that the time would come, ‘when the Constitution of our country would hang as it were by a thread, and that the Latter-day Saints above all other people in the world would come to the rescue.” - Prophet Joseph F. Smith, Conference Report, October 1912, p. 11
And: "Now, these are the commandments of God, the principles contained in these commandments of the great Eternal are the principles that underly the Constitution of our country and all just laws. Joseph Smith, the prophet, was inspired to affirm and ratify this truth, and he further predicted that the time would come, when the Constitution of our country would hang as it were by a thread, and that the Latter-day Saints above all other people in the world would come to the rescue of that great and glorious palladium of our liberty.” - Prophet Joseph F. Smith, Conference Report, October 1912, p. 11
Joseph F. Smith may have indeed "changed his mind" about all that...or, perhaps since he was only a month away from both his 80th birthday and his death -- and was about to begin having Halloween nightmares about seeing dead people walk around his place later that month in October of 1918...perhaps he wasn't as "lucid" as earlier in his life.
Beliefs in UFOs and paranormal are normal for Mormons, since their God was really an alien who lives near a planet called Kolob and the early leaders taught the sun and moon were populated by aliens dressed as Quakers.
Also, visits from ghosts and spirits is a huge part of their genealogy and temple rites and history/theology.
For an ex-mormon who has been taught from birth these things and that the Bible isn’t trustworthy or God is just a man, it makes sense that the author would go this direction.
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