Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
Don't hold your breath! :o)
I LOVE your tagline.
Now can you, met, stop bearing false witness?
Come on, we can have a discussion with Dave Smith, get frustrated by his lack of agreeing with us (or, on the other shoe, he's probably frustrated with us not agreeing with HIM :), but if we degenerate into the above, neither of us gains anything.
We don't convince the other, we probably make the other decide not to even read into or think over what we have said.
a calm discussion can lead to people thinking over things, or at the very least agreeing to disagree
Yet do you hold that Jesus is wholly natural AND wholly Divine? Or just wholly Divine?
The Mormon religion is based on there having been Semitic Lamites etc. -- the FACT that there were no such semites instantly destroys the foundation of the Mormon religion -- I have no need to debate religiously or philosophically with them if the historicity is so utterly false.
I will debate with them first on the historicity -- if they can prove to me that there were: Semites in pre-Columbus America, then I would be willing to engage further in philosophical debates. Otherwise there is no point imho
We don't visualize a dead Christ on the cross but a living Divine man.
That doesn’t answer my question — do you believe that Jesus Christ is/was 100% human and 100% God?
Most MORMONs you'll run across do NOT know these facts; so, in MY humble opinion; they need to find them out; one way or another.
If one wants to 'debate' and not just toss out their ingrained talking points; then undoubtably good will come from it.
After He rose, He came to His Glorified state. While He was on earth, He spent His life battling the hells and putting off His Human nature, as recorded in scripture (He wasn't born 'perfect'). Our regeneration and salvation is patterned after that.
Most importantly, He is the Word made flesh. I’ll be posting a Bible Study on that later that I’ll ping you on...
Ok, wait.
Over the last posts you appear to be saying:
all paths lead to God
Jesus was not perfect but somehow worked his way there
humans are divine
we work for our salvation
there is no hell
(I can see why mormonISM is so attractive for you)
Narrow is the path. Only the Lord is Divine.
Matthew 10:38 NKJV And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
Matthew 16:24 NKJV Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.
Mark 8:34 NKJV When He had called the people to Himself, with His disciples also, He said to them, "Whoever desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.
Mark 10:21 NKJV Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, "One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me."
Luke 9:23 NKJV Then He said to them all, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.
Revelation 3:2 NKJV Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.
There is indeed hell - see discussion above with boatbums
Sandy is promoting the false intimation that Graham no longer believes Mormonism is a cult. That is not true. From Eric Johnson.
“We called the BGEA on October 24 and talked to a representative. When we asked if the media were putting words into BGEA’s proverbial mouth—that “Mormonism was no longer a cult”—the spokesman fully agreed that the BGEA’s action was being misinterpreted. He added that nowhere did the association ever make such a statement. According to Ken Barun, “We removed the information from the website because we do not wish to participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized during this campaign.”
It can be debated whether this move was the wisest decision. In hindsight, the BGEA leadership must now understand that taking the article down created much more of a stir than if the article had just remained on the site. By deleting it, the media was able to twist this action into saying that Billy Graham must somehow no longer think that Mormonism is a cult. This simply is not the case.
http://www.mrm.org/billy-graham-mormonism-christianity
BGEA still considers Mormonism a cult.
I even stop religion at family get togethers with my kids. They have different opinions and I tell them to shut up at my home...That way they don't get mad at each other...But they do email politics, problem is one of them has me on their politics list so I get it anyway... But they cannot get into a fight with email....they are all big dudes in their 50's daughter in 40's...Hey are you still having to milk out Elle may? I think of her often LOL
Yes, the Rev. Billy Graham is being vilified and jumped all over for removing Mormons from his ministry’s cult list. I read some horrible statements directed at the Rev. Billy Graham. They are questioning his spiritual judgment - like you are doing. Yet Billy Graham is revered all over the world as one of the greatest evangelists and preachers of all time. It’s interesting how disappointed the anti Mormons/anti MormonISMs are over this. Very telling.
Ah ha! Reaganaut admits that this is his “ministry” - degrading and defaming The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. That’s why there’s so much anti Mormon/anti MormonISM junk on this site. Day after day after day after day. They are afraid to lose their livelihood. Big business going after the Mormons.
Anyway, the fact remains that Jesus Christ suffered and died to save me from my sins. Amen.
Squirm away. You can rant and rave and print and type and sell your books and DVDs but it mattereth not. Jesus Christ is the Lord and I love Him.
But cheer up, maybe you can get me banned/zotted again and then you won’t have to be tortured and tormented by my love for the Savior Jesus Christ.
Sandy the ENTIRE LIST was removed, not just Mormons and The BGEA STILL ASSERTS THAT MORMONS ARE A CULT.
So, your claim doesn’t hold water and makes you guilty of bearing false witness.
. Day after day after day after day. They are afraid to lose their livelihood. Big business going after the Mormons.
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I never denied it was my ministry. It is to warn others of the dangers of Mormonism and to speak the truth and counter the lies the LDS church teaches. No ‘ah ha’ there, Sandy.
You are bearing false witness against me Sandy. I don’t make ANY money in my ministry, I don’t ask for any, I don’t want any. I PAY MY OWN WAY for my ministry. No livelyhood at all, and every other ministry to Mormons doesn’t get rich off of it, most barely scrape by. I don’t sell books or DVDs and again most ministries sell them AT COST not to make a profit.
Contrast to the hundreds of thousands the LDS leaders get every year from the LDS church and members buying their books, Christians put the money back into the ministry.
We do this for love of Christ. No one gets rich from it. You are just spreading lies you hear at church and don’t bother to research.
You follow a false Christ who cannot save you, Sandy. The LDS church is “Lord” to its members - not Jesus.
That's nice SD - have you truly repented of those sins yet.
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