White Horse Prophecy [Mitt's Loss brings obvious conclusion that Mormon leaders falsely prophesied]

MessagetoEagle.com ^ | Nov. 8, 2012 | Dustin Naef

[metmom]

Ummm, you got anything from RNMOM?

Those links you posted are to other FReepers, not RNmom as you disingenuous implied that they were since she is the one being discussed.

Courtesy ping to those whose comments you posted but didn’t courtesy ping.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

El Placemarco

[Cronos]

Firstly, do read a little before constantly jumping to (erroneous) conclusions

[Cronos]

Secondly, by RnMomof7 "The Reverend Graham".. has compromised the gospel for years....No judgement on his eternal state ...but he has compromised the gospel and will have to answer for that

[Cronos]

Thirdly, as Dave has pointed out to you on this thread, do mind your courtesy and stop accusing people falsely.

[Cronos]

For you metmom, please do note before making incorrect statements

Proverbs 21:28 A false witness will perish, but a careful listener will testify successfully.

[Cronos]

tirade a protracted speech usually marked by intemperate, vituperative, or harshly censorious language and the statement by Rn: "The Reverend Graham".. has compromised the gospel for years....No judgement on his eternal state ...but he has compromised the gospel and will have to answer for that matches the definition

[Cronos]

Firstly, i see no point in such statements being made against Rev. Graham -- a disagreement with him is fine, but calling him and agent of Satan is just wrong

Note that I didn't make those statements and I oppose the usage of such terms in a discussion -- it shuts out any discussion.

One can say they disagree with Rev. Graham without calling him a "pawn for the dark side", right? the latter statement shuts out a discussion

[svcw]

Agree with that.
Graham does one thing and one thing only preaches the Good News, that’s how he started and that’s how he will end.

[boatbums]

Thank you so much for sharing your story, dear reaganaut. I was also raised in a "religion" that taught I could get to heaven by being "good". I praise the Lord that he answered my earnest prayers for the truth and opened my eyes and heart to the gospel of salvation by grace through faith and that I can know I have everlasting life through Christ.

I believe that God is faithful and no matter where we are, what we have been taught or not taught, he WILL reveal the truth to us if we sincerely seek to know it.

My rhetorical question was about those people who HAVE discovered that Mormonism could not be defended intellectually or logically - people like Mitt Romney - those whose livelihood is being "apologists" against those who point out its unmistakable errors and lies. What is their reason for staying, for continuing to lead others into it including their own families? Surely, they MUST know, right?! I get it that the majority never feel the urge to investigate it deeper and it is that spiritual blindness that keeps them roped in as well as the community that surrounds them and the threat of hell and ostracizing should they ever think of leaving. It is much the same for other false religions (i.e.; Islam, Jehovah's Witnesses). All I can guess is that too much is at stake to lose should a man like Romney decide to leave. It tells me that some things are more important to people than their eternal life, than knowing the true God, than being willing to forsake all for the love of Christ.

God bless you and the ministry you have to reach others for Him.

[reaganaut]

I get it that the majority never feel the urge to investigate it deeper and it is that spiritual blindness that keeps them roped in as well as the community that surrounds them and the threat of hell and ostracizing should they ever think of leaving...It tells me that some things are more important to people than their eternal life, than knowing the true God, than being willing to forsake all for the love of Christ.

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BINGO! LDS who ask hard questions are given pat answers, they are not encouraged to research or investigate or think for themselves, actually they are DISCOURAGED from doing that. If they have an issue, they are told to just ‘put it on the shelf’ - to ignore it.

For many the fear of ‘outer darkness’ (the LDS don’t have an eternal Hell) for apostates does keep them in, I’m helping a gentleman who is going through that now. He knows Mormonism is false but is afraid of losing his family and ‘outer darkness’.

For some who KNOW the truth, yet stay anyway, there are a couple of attitudes I see often. First, they grew up with the view that if Mormonism isn’t true, nothing is so it doesn’t matter if they play the part to keep their family happy. Similarly, there is an attitude among some that well, Mormonism is just as good as any other church, so I might as well enjoy the benefits and all my friends are here. For a few, the fear of their spouses divorcing them (which is common for LDS leadership to recommend to the faitful spouse if the other spouse becomes apostate) makes them stay.

Mormonism is very much a ‘good ol boys club’ and for people like Romney, a means of power in this world. I fully expect Romney to be called to be a General Authority which means more money and built in audience for his books. Romney is an egomaniac and egomaniacs thrive in Mormonism.

For those who have left Mormonism and become born again through Christ, they don’t stay very long - they can’t. They cannot sit and listen to the blasphemies spouted from the pulpit and unbiblical doctrines. A few stay for a brief period in hopes of getting their LDS family to follow them out, but soon discover that is more likely to happen when they leave.

When Shawn McCraney (HOTM.TV) first started his show in Utah (great show I recommend it), he said he didn’t care if you stayed LDS as long as you were truly born again. He has since changed his mind, because he saw his own family leave after he stopped playing the part and saw how the LDS shunned him when he was trying to be ‘active’ LDS but preaching the real biblical gospel and salvation by grace.

The attitude of those who stay, knowing that it is all a lie (like the apologists who get paid very well by the LDS church) and frankly of most LDS faithful is they put the LDS CHURCH first, not God, not Christ. It is heartbreaking.

Thank you, brother, for your kind words. This isn’t a fun ministry, it is real spiritual warfare and it is necessary. I would love nothing more than the LDS to be like the Worldwide Church of God, and repent, but there is a lot of earthly benefits of staying LDS and they have their reward in this life. Our reward is in the life to come.

[metmom]

By the definition you provided, you thereby proved that Rnmom’s comment was NOT a tirade.

Good job.

[DaveMSmith]

Please understand I am Catholic by blood and all of my in-laws are Catholic.

I take sacraments at our Episcopal Church in town.

The Nicaean creed is said before Holy Supper here - I meditate and think of my own confession for that time. I will be putting up my formal confession as a lay minister as a Facebook note that I will link on my profile page soon. It's not online - only in our Liturgy so I will have to type it out. I'd also like to request to post to Catholic Caucus threads. I consider all Catholics my brethren no matter how we worship externally.

I believe we are created in the Lord's image. The heavens were bent at the Lord's advent. His soul Divine and the Father, his body from Mary and human. He put off his human nature to be glorified as Divine Human. Our regeneration is the same process, described in Genesis from Abraham to Joseph and His brothers. We believe clouds represent the literal sense of the Word. 'Person' takes away from Divine and has led to the blasphemy that Jesus is wholly natural and not Divine. We do not discard any word of the Old Testament.

I like to invite you to Church. I found this service very moving on Veterans Day and after the election. I think Catholics will find it very familiar:"You Have Saved Us", Rev. Jeremy F. Simons - 11/11/2012 Adult Service (Holy Supper)

[metmom]

Firstly, do read a little before constantly jumping to (erroneous) conclusions

What erroneous conclusions?

You provided three links in post 881 and I checked and double checked all three and not one of them was RNmom's.

In post 879, Elsie asked about comments of RNmom's that you were complaining about in post 865 that she had allegedly made about Billy Graham.

You porvided three links in post 881 in response to Elsie's post 879 request and not a one of them was attributed to RNmom.

Therefore, my conclusions was not erroneous.

If someone requests specific information, it would be nice if that information was forthcoming instead of red herrings trying to get off topic and then throwing it off on someone else accusing them of being wrong.

[metmom]

Holier than thou much?

Speaking about false witness, there remains unanswered the requests for specific comments alleged to have been made by Rnmom against Rev. Graham.

Could you provide evidence of said comments or admit that you have borne false witness against her?

[svcw]

Catholic by blood?
So like A, B, AB, O and Catholic?
The real questions is how do you dishonor Catholicism by partaking in their religious ceremonies, when you have spent days and pages telling us all, that all paths lead to God.....sorry Catholics do not teach that.
Have you told your Catholic family you beleive nothing of what they teach and consider mormonISM superior and most like your all paths lead to God stuff.

[DaveMSmith]

Seek help.

[Elsie]

One can say they disagree with Rev. Graham without calling him a "pawn for the dark side", right? the latter statement shuts out a discussion

Yeah; words like that do have an effect all right.

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[svcw]

I agree, you need help.

[Elsie]

I believe we are created in the Lord's image.
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We do not discard any word of the Old Testament.

Genesis 5:3

When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.