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To: annalex

My deepest hope for the Church is a declaration from the Pope that voting for a candidate in order to extract an gain from others ... is an ill-gotten gain .... theft ... and a sin against God.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 8:40:52 AM PST by dila813
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To: dila813
Why, we have one. Here's an overview:

John Paul II claims, following Pope Leo XIII, that human persons have rights that flow from the dignity granted to them by their nature. These rights, the Pope says, are inalienable and proper to every human person. Though the rights of human persons are many, for the sake of his argument the Pope names some that are specific. Among those that he names, there are five that are principally violated by socialism: the owning of private property, forming of professional associations, the limiting of working hours, the receiving of a just wage, and the discharge of one's religious duties (6-7). The Pope asserts that all these rights are natural, or in other words proper to man by his nature. For instance, the Pope cites that it is natural or proper for man to meet in associations with fellow men inasmuch as man is a social being. Also the Pope notes that these natural rights precede any cooperation with political or civil authority. Precedence is given to these right lies in their root in other inalienable right that are possessed by the human person. The chief rights to life, liberty and property allow for the specific rights that the Pope discusses to exist. This discussion of natural rights and precedence flows forth into a discussion about the relationship between people as individuals and the state. The Pope concludes with an affirmation of the individual human person. With his dignity and inalienable rights, the human person holds precedence over the institution or society as a whole. For it is the job of the State to protect the natural rights of its individual citizens and to supply the means for the attainment of the personal good (7). The State must be fair and equal and work to obtain good inasmuch as it is possible for each of its individual members (9).

From Pope John Paul II's Critique of Socialism. References are to the source: CENTESIMUS ANNUS

10 posted on 11/07/2012 8:54:36 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: dila813

Rome doesn’t police the American Catholic Church as it should be done. If it had Biden, Pelosi, Kerry and his awful wife, and most of the Kennedy’s would have been publicly ex-communicated long ago. The Catholic Church of my childhood no longer exists in the US and apparently not in Rome either.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 8:58:58 AM PST by An American In Dairyland
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To: dila813
also

Lured, in fine, by the greed of present goods, which is ‘the root of all evils, which some coveting have erred from the faith’ (1 Tim. 6:10.3), they assail the right of property sanctioned by natural law; and by a scheme of horrible wickedness, while they seem desirous of caring for the needs and satisfying the desires of all men, they strive to seize and hold in common whatever has been acquired either by title of lawful inheritance, or by labor of brain and hands, or by thrift in one's mode of life.” (Encyclical Quod Apostolici Muneris, December 28, 1878, n. 1)

More at What the Popes Have to Say About Socialism. The encyclical quoted: QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS

12 posted on 11/07/2012 8:59:30 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: dila813
". . . is an ill-gotten gain .... theft ... and a sin against God."

People who go against Church teaching that murdering your children with contraceptives is still murder just like abortion will care about being called thieves?

Come on, the Catholic Church has to face the fact that these people are no longer Catholic. The Catholic Church is at best a family tradition or part of their "ethnic heritage" to them.

They worship their Self, just like the majority of non-Catholics who claim to be Christian do. The majority of the population in this country will murder their own children to avoid economic burdens, but they'll spend every cent they have and can borrow to keep their "naughty bits" exercised.

When when the remaining faithful are so few in number that no one can claim they won without the intervention of the Lord, that's when He will intervene and turn things around. Unless, of course, they're not supposed to turn around because the murder of nearly sixty million infants has to be punished in kind.

21 posted on 11/07/2012 9:41:16 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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