[Salvation]

Do all ministers get messages from their congregation in a similar vein? Oh, you're Republican because you are preaching about abortion, or you're a democrat because you are preaching about caring for the poor?

[Salvation]

Discussion Ping!

[Bigg Red]

Perhaps the best the Church can do in a time like this, perhaps the best that the priests and pastors can do, is to insist, yes even to beg that all the Catholic faithful will use the faith as their starting point.

***
I am a bit disappointed by Msgr. Pope’s message here.

He presents a clear description of the predicament that the priest finds himself in, but, while I sympathize, it seems like whining to me. The priest needs to speak out forcefully against political opinions that are against the teachings of the Church, whether or not he gets accused of being political.

I have a wonderful priest, who is the pastor and the sole priest in my little parish. But, while he gives wonderful homilies, I have heard him talk politics only once — around the time of the Bishops’ push-back on the Obamacare mandate — and abortion only once and in the wimpiest of terms. We desperately need to hear it in the clearest terms when a political stance is morally wrong.

[Gerish]

Our Bishop and our parish priest explained this political cycle in terms of life being the most important issue as all other rights fall by the wayside without the right to life. Abortion is intrinsically evil and therefore should never be supported. Finally, our parish priest summed it all up very well by asking us all to pray the Our Father, specifically to remember the phrase this election to “lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.”

[mimaw]

Perhaps if they had preached about the intrinsic evil of abortion gay marriage contraception and euthanasia over the years some Catholics would have gotten a clue. Instead they aligned themselves with the social justice crowd and the RAT party. Their unholy alliance with the Kennedy catholics confused many who could have become faithful Catholics. Now we should just sit in the pews with some of our fellow Catholics who helped elect a man who wants to destroy our way of life and sing cumbya. I don.t think so monsignor.

[AKA Elena]

Our "message" was tepid, no more ... but I felt so humiliated at what our religion, in particular had added to the public election of that evil, immoral and amoral man, a friend of mine sent the following email, from me to his many contacts. It is after the fact, and my stomach is still rolling with disgust ... I feel the incidences of fraud are too numerous to count ... but I felt if the priests in the pulpit could not make this point ... I could!

TO EVERYONE IN THE USA WHO CONSIDERS THEMSELVES TO BE “GOOD , PRACTICING CATHOLICS”

Here is the good news … if you did not vote for Obama in the election, for whatever reason, you probably have good standing within our Faith. However if you voted for ANYONE who supports the killing of the child in the womb or the “relief” of death before its time has naturally been reached, or think that human cloning is a good advance for the world and voted in that direction or donated money to that cause … you have latae excommunicated yourself (** you need no priest or Bishop to pronounce your excommunication, you have done so yourself) from the reception of the Eucharist and ALL other of our Holy Sacraments except for that of Penance, which is effective in forgiveness of the sin ONLY if you realize that you have committed grave sin and intend to separate yourself from such alliances or actions in the future.

What this election has proven is that the “Faithful” are more faithful to worldly comfort and some social ideas which are included in the Groups of wrongdoing that are intrinsic evil and are considered to be the MORAL ABSOLUTES.

There is no such thing as some miracle of justification in splitting yourselves into a political person and still a Catholic if you have supported in any way ... the baby killers, the impossibility of marriage between homosexuals, those who make themselves gods with the science of reproduction (either in vitro, or cloning).

I especially note the Hispanic and Black Cultures and the selfish women who feel that they are not intended to be a vehicle for and harbor for life, for which God made them and who are too selfish to allow a child to be implanted in them, or a Culture which claims to be family oriented until they get into a voting booth or go to scream support at the rallies for a person or party which condones and, in fact, promotes such evil.

This is not a matter of choice, it is fact. So if you are among the many of these groups who defy God as a part of your whole person, you may be damning yourselves to Hell and succeeding generations will NOT CALL YOU BLESSED or mistaken, but rather evil, as is right.

Certainly, refrain from the reception of the Body and Blood of Christ … do not be so two faced as to walk on your knees in Adoration, because you have committed the worst of sins and need forgiveness not false piety. You, my friends, may have thrown the USA to the wolves so to speak.

I know that God is Love, but he is All-Just, One and The Same.

Blessings for Enlightenment!

I don't believe that this is my "job" to make this dire and true consequence and explain it to those who voted for this Administration ... but it certainly was not heard at any Mass I have taken part in in any way, shape or form. I think this should be the concentration ... the self excommunication that accompanies the support of evil.