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To: xone
If we are going down the road of highlighting the political sins of 'killed and failed,' as opposed to theology ... I don't what to say...

... because no Protestant state ever came to power and 'killed' and 'failed' people either ...

30 posted on 11/01/2012 11:39:01 AM PDT by Rocky Mountain Wild Turkey ("I have an open mind ... just not so open that my brain falls out onto the floor!!")
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To: Rocky Mountain Wild Turkey
Success or failure often depends on leadership — what leaders do or fail to do. When it comes to the Reformation, the lion's share of the blame rests squarely with the hierarchy, including the papacy. Or at least so said Pope Adrian VI, who in 1523 sent his legate to confess the following before the German princes gathered in Nuremberg:

"We freely acknowledge that God has allowed this chastisement to come upon His Church because of the sins of men and especially because of the sins of priests and prelates . . . We know well that for many years much that must be regarded with horror has come to pass in this Holy See: abuses in spiritual matters, transgressions against the Commandments; indeed, that everything has been gravely perverted" (quoted in K. Adam, One and Holy, p. 97).

Who’s Who in the Reformation

I am not going down that road. In fact, as far as the prelate's statement goes, I agree with him. The fact is that Luther's life was in danger because of the actions of a Pope in Rome, nobody made the pope do it. Later further actions by the Catholic Church in this area proves Luther was right.

I'm more than happy to remain with the doctrines set forth in the Lutheran Confessions.

32 posted on 11/01/2012 11:50:34 AM PDT by xone
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