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A blog post on the First Things web site some time ago was drawn to my attention...the article, by a LCMS pastor, is rather typical of what the Roman Catholic journal, First Things, loves to publish: hand-wringing articles by Lutherans over the Reformation....

....the author of the article misses the actual tragedy of the Reformation; namely, that it was not wholly successful. The Roman Catholic Church, as such, was formed as a direct result of the Counter-Reformation Council of Trent. And at the Council of Trent the door was slammed shut on the very Gospel itself, the good news that we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, on account of Christ alone. What was at least an option before Trent, was pronounced to be a damning error.

This is the tragedy of the Reformation!

1 posted on 10/31/2012 12:52:41 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Concord where it counts does not come about by the sword or by the edicts of men.


2 posted on 10/31/2012 1:10:17 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Oops. There I go politicizing again.)
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To: Alex Murphy

“The Roman Catholic Church, as such, was formed”

Absolutely one-hundred percent rubbish. If they weren’t trying to reform the Catholic church then what the heck were they trying to reform?

You are aware that Luther et all were all Catholic priests.


4 posted on 10/31/2012 1:27:49 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Alex Murphy

http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2012/10/reformation-day

Here’s the article. It’s not written by a Catholic for a Catholic either... First Things is protestants although obviously the ‘wrong kind’ of protestant. ;)

Timothy George is a Southern Baptist. Maybe you should try checking your facts next time.


6 posted on 10/31/2012 1:35:53 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Alex Murphy

A real reformation was probably impossible given the entrenched corruption of the clergy. So long as this unscriptural arrangement existed it would be a self serving class seeing its self above the ordinary Christian.


11 posted on 10/31/2012 2:03:05 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Alex Murphy

the tragedy of the “reformation” was that is was rather a revolution. Luther had neither the authority nor the ability to reform anything in the Catholic Church. He did, however, have the ability to revolt against her, which he did. The result of his meddling, and convincing people that it was alright to do so,is the 20,000 or so “denominations” all of which think that they are correct and following the teachings of Christ......they are neither.


15 posted on 10/31/2012 2:47:08 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Alex Murphy
The article, by a LCMS pastor, is rather typical of what the Roman Catholic journal, First Things, loves to publish: hand-wringing articles by Lutherans over the Reformation.

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It's not really a Roman Catholic journal, and that's not really typical of what they publish.

Otherwise, you're right on target.

42 posted on 11/01/2012 2:54:00 PM PDT by x
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