[ShadowAce]

The doctrine of perseverance stands opposed to the idea of apostasy, or the doctrine that it is possible for believers to fall from grace, either temporarily, so as to alternate from a state of grace to a state of lostness and back to a state of grace again, or finally, so as to have been once saved and yet finally be damned.

In other words, it stands opposed to actual Scripture, and to lessons that Christ, Himself, taught.

Gee--I wonder which one I'll follow. /s

[aruanan]

The doctrine of perseverance stands opposed to the idea of apostasy, or the doctrine that it is possible for believers to fall from grace, either temporarily, so as to alternate from a state of grace to a state of lostness and back to a state of grace again, or finally, so as to have been once saved and yet finally be damned.

In other words, it stands opposed to actual Scripture, and to lessons that Christ, Himself, taught.

Such as, “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."

[blue-duncan]

“Gee—I wonder which one I’ll follow. /s”

It is relatively easy; just follow the scripture, not fallen ego or institutional dependency.

Perseverance points to the passages underscoring the believer’s sure persuasion that God takes the initiative in perfecting, as well as originating, man’s salvation: “He who has begun a good work in the believer performs it to the end”(Phil. 1:6); God keeps His own (John 10:28, “And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand”); nothing can separate the believer from the love of God; (Rom.8:38-39); and the Holy Spirit seals the believer to the day of redemption (Eph. 1:13, 14; 4:30.)

God keeps His own,
No one can pluck them out of His hand,
Nothing can separate the believer from the love of God,
Holy Spirit seals the believer to the day of redemption.

This is actual scripture and what Jesus taught.