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To: RobbyS
if Americans Catholics will not listen to papal denunciations of abortion, what makes you think that even Germany Catholics would have put the Church before their country?

Thanks for the answer and a history lesson, too! Now, to your last point, I think THAT is the whole point I was trying to make. Shouldn't ALL Christians put God's will and righteousness ahead of country loyalty? Wouldn't Pius' public excommunication of Hitler, which would include the reasons WHY he was to be dealt with this way, have forced Germany's Catholics to take a stand for justice and holiness? Isn't that what Church leaders are supposed to do? Put God above ALL else?

When German citizens started learning about the Jewish persecution and genocide that was going on by command of their own leaders, would it not have been the absolute BEST time for all Christians to stand together with the Jewish-German population and demand these actions to be stopped? What would have happened with the war had there been a united CHRISTIAN front opposed to the atrocities? Would Hitler have continued his "master plan" or just maybe would he have been forced to end it? By the Catholic Germans as well as the Pope standing by doing nothing, they gave tacit agreement for the acts to continue.

Sure Goebbels was a charismatic and convincing speaker - so was the devil - but for those steeped in Scripture and led by the Holy Spirit, his words would sound hollow and their eyes would have been opened to the devious designs and plans. The Germans to this day regret what they allowed to happen. Even people who were not even born when this all happened are STILL embarrassed by it. It will be a burden that they carry for decades more.

What's done is done, but we all must stand together to confront the Holocaust of our day - abortion - and we WILL answer to God if we stand back and do nothing to stop it. It seems every generation or two has just such challenges. For America it was religious liberty against loyalty to a king. Then it was slavery against the rights of ALL to live free. Today, it is abortion - the secret holocaust that has been swept under the rug of "women's rights" and "reproductive freedom". If we Christians stand by and allow this unspeakable evil to continue, if we Christians continue to elect lawmakers who assure its continuance, then we are NO different than slavers and murderers. There WILL be a judgment seat, there WILL be a reckoning, God WILL judge righteously.

I hope you have a good night. I'm signing off for today.

43 posted on 10/24/2012 11:14:27 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

Germany was somewhat more Catholic than we are, in numbers. But, again, many would not have seen the matter so clearly as you think, and many more were already cautious because boldest leaders had already been thrown into concentration camps. The plot in Army was much more powerful and better organized than the Church, yet it was hesitant to proceed. A denunciation of the regime by a foreign pope would have been portrayed as that of the puppet of foreign leaders. Note how hard it is to get “the word” out to a population ignorant of the failures our OUR regime, and consider how hard it would have been to spread the word in a country almost devoid of media not chained by the government. Only a totally stupid act, such as the destruction of Rome by the Germans MIGHT have stirred Catholic hearts, even by the strong rumor of it. But the ret
reating Germans did not, just as they did not destroy Paris.


45 posted on 10/24/2012 11:44:34 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: boatbums
” If we Christians stand by and allow this unspeakable evil to continue, if we Christians continue to elect lawmakers who assure its continuance, then we are NO different than slavers and murderers. There WILL be a judgment seat, there WILL be a reckoning, God WILL judge righteously.” ( boatbums)
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We often hear, “God bless America.”

Why should God bless America? Why would we expect Him to do that in the face of two serious evils:

1) Abortion:
Millions of Christians can turn out to buy a chicken sandwich but can't figure out a way to legally and peacefully end abortion? Really? I don't believe it. If Christians **really** cared about the slaughter of innocents, abortion would be ended within a year.

2) Godless schooling:
85% of our nation's children attend the government's K-12 schools that teach children to think and reason godless, teach them to leave their faith at home and out of their public life, and to worship the state as their redeemer and savior. If Christians **really** had their hearts in the right place all government K-12 schooling would be closed within the year and our nation's godless colleges and universities would be dealing with massively empty classrooms.

With abortion, at least the soul of the little innocent’s life flies directly to the arms of Jesus. With godless government schooling and the relativism of college indoctrination, the child's soul risks eternal damnation.

56 posted on 10/25/2012 7:12:43 AM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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