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Billy Graham and politics: Woe to us (Alas, this is not the Billy Graham my Grandma Knew)
Associated Baptist Press ^ | 10/20/2012 | Mark Wingfield

Posted on 10/20/2012 8:05:33 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: hosepipe
VOTE Myth Romney OR there WILL NOT BE an America..
ONLY Myth can UNSEAT Obama.. did I say ONLY?..

More important than MYTH as President is a VETO proof Congress.. to get it you must elect Myth..

That's either really great satire, or really terrible rhetoric... I can't tell which, so if it's satire, great job.
One of the big problems of the "the other guy's worse" arguments is that there is no guarantee that the endorsed guy is good, in fact it could be argued that a mediocre guy would be worse than a downright bad guy -- at least with the bad guy there will be pressures for Congress to put him in check... but with a mediocre guy, we run the very real danger of normalizing much of current bad-policy. (Ex: rampant abuse of EPA's powers give people reason to disband EPA, but having EPA "tone down" their operations while keeping the agency only means that the agency can be used again [likely with even more power as it collects more and more legal 'precedence' justifying its existence and methods].)

41 posted on 10/20/2012 8:49:49 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Viennacon; Sherman Logan; Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears; Ramonne; Fpimentel; Mortrey; ...

I got news for you Mr Wingfield, Billy graham was political long before you wera a glimmer in your fathers leftist eye. To begin with, if you are under the illusion that Obama is not a Muslim, then you are blind and ignorant. God’s people know who their brothers and sisters in Christ are, and you sir are not a brother in Christ.

You are just another leftist that wants to destroy Christianity in America. Nothing but a phony is all you are. A phony because you do not know the truth about this great evangelical man of God. If you did, you would not make some stupid statement that Graham should never enter the political ring with his opinion. Also, try as you may, you will never change any minds about Mr Graham nor his son.

To set the record straight, it was Billy Graham who told Nixon to stop communism, and it was Billy Graham who has supported Republicans for president ever since he became important enough to influence politics.

Ha may have stepped back after Nixon resigned, but he never stopped supporting the right wingers in government. So takie youe fake Christian credentials anbd head on back to the leftist pond you crawled out of scum.


42 posted on 10/20/2012 8:51:07 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: ncfool

As a Christian, I say God Bless everyone.


43 posted on 10/20/2012 8:51:33 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“What concerns me is this — why did he have to go so far as declare Mormonism no longer a cult? This is going too far.”

While I understand Reverend Grahams’ motivations I do share your concern as well.

God is in control - nothing positive or negative is going to happen to the US unless He wants it that way or simply allows it (in which case He had His reasons). Best to keep your allegiance with the Most High.


44 posted on 10/20/2012 8:54:48 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Associated baptist and Cooperative baptist are the ‘moderates’ who find the squishy Southern baptist convention ‘to extreme’. Can't imagine a statement by BG embracing gay marriage or slavery reparations or other librat pet rocks wouldn't have been greeted by these rats with rapture. These people are really beneath contempt.
45 posted on 10/20/2012 8:56:31 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: Marcella
I read about that right after Graham did that after his visit with Romney. I recall shaking my head that another person dumped his beliefs to endorse Romney.

So many have denied their beliefs to vote for someone who isn't Hussein. The same will happen in the Republican Party from now on - the candidate will always be a liberal because they know the conservatives will always abandon their beliefs and vote for whomever the GOPe wants.

The downfall of this country is coming and soon.

You express my sentiment on the matter beautifully; thank you.

The Republican Party lost my vote with the nomination of Romney -- back in 2008 I pinched my nose and voted for McCain, later telling myself I'd not vote against someone ["fall for" the "the other guy's worse" argument] again. Romney is not someone I want to vote for, so I won't... and it's amazing how much the sentiment has become "you're voting for Obama by voting third party!" around here.

46 posted on 10/20/2012 8:56:31 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

As Christians, we must have the slyness to fight the serpent while possessing the loving nature of the dove.


47 posted on 10/20/2012 8:58:27 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Religion Moderator

I’ve been here 14 years and I didn’t even know we had a Religious Forum, I must have got lost. Thanks for the Yellow Card, I’ll let myself out.


48 posted on 10/20/2012 9:00:26 PM PDT by ynotjjr (Romney/Ryan 2012 It's called the Constitution. Learn it, live it, love it!)
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To: OneWingedShark

I have never stated that, and your free to look.

I will say that Governor Romney is more to be swayed by the Tea Party than anyone. I want everyone to be comfortable with their need to participate and understand the ramifications of that decision.

America Shall live on.


49 posted on 10/20/2012 9:04:37 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Religion Moderator

Why delete my comment? My statement was about the author, not the Freeper who posted it. What I said was true. If you want me to re,ove the word scumbag I will, but notyhing else I said deserved to be removed.As for the word fool, it is an acceptable word that even St Paul used in his letters.


50 posted on 10/20/2012 9:04:54 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

Sorry, I thought you were talking about the Freeper not the author. I will restore it.


51 posted on 10/20/2012 9:06:50 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: SeekAndFind

There is a difference between not saying Mormonism is a cult, and saying it is not a cult. One is the absence of a statement either way, the other is a statement. I know I am parsing, but what the heck ;)


52 posted on 10/20/2012 9:09:07 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama in a binder!!!)
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To: eyedigress

“I will say that Governor Romney is more to be swayed by the Tea Party than anyone.”

Agreed.
Romney wasn’t my first choice, but he (and an empty can of coke) is better than Bath-House Barry.

The Tea Party isn’t dead and WON’T die on election day when Romney gets in-—his feet will be held to the fire by the Tea Party.

Hell...we’re just getting revved up.


53 posted on 10/20/2012 9:09:48 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Religion Moderator

Understood, we all make mistakes, thanks for the apology and for restoring it.


54 posted on 10/20/2012 9:10:15 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: MichaelCorleone

>>God is in control - nothing positive or negative is going to happen to the US unless He wants it that way or simply allows it<<

So, according to your logic, we should not have fought World War II, since God is going to handle it anyway.

I believe in God’s sovereignty as much as anyone, but there is a HUGE difference between sovereignty and fatalism.


55 posted on 10/20/2012 9:10:25 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (John Roberts did more to endanger the lives of Americans than all 9/11 hijackers combined.)
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To: SeekAndFind
To make any other agenda -- abortion, gay marriage, economic policy or whatever -- more important than the universal call to redemptive faith is to lose sight of the cross of Christ. Ironically, it is Billy Graham who most clearly and consistently has called America to fix our eyes only upon Jesus. And now his own vision seems to be fading. Woe to us.

Is Mark Wingfield a "Big-Tent Baptist", who believes one should preach Christian values from the pulpit a couple of times each Sunday, but keep silent the rest of the week, lest someone be offended?

56 posted on 10/20/2012 9:11:44 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

He is not a Muslim. He’s an atheist. Communists are atheists. Her uses Muslims because they hate America as much as he does.


57 posted on 10/20/2012 9:14:53 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: Mortrey

The Entire Point! We get the Senate then all bets are off. Cloture is off due to Harry Reid. Reconciliation for EVERYTHING! He sold it, He lost it.


58 posted on 10/20/2012 9:14:55 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: robowombat

Which denomination votes to the right of the Southern Baptists?

In 2008 they went 80% for McCain/Palin.


59 posted on 10/20/2012 9:22:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt Romney is a mixture of LBJ and Nixon, Obama is a mixture of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.)
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To: ansel12

What denomination are you ansell2?


60 posted on 10/20/2012 9:24:18 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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