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To: newberger

I forgot to mention that the things in the Bible which are supposed to be trusted in cannot be proven or dis-proven. They are outside the realm of reason.

Before anything can be reasoned from scriptures those scriptures must be accepted on faith.

The fact of the opposition of faith and reason can be proven by logic.

Reason is objective.

Faith is subjective.

logic says “It exists therefore I believe it”.

Faith says “I believe it therefore it exists”. Or worse yet, “millions of People believe it therefore it exists”.

If one is interested in the truth how are reason and faith complimentary in any way?


29 posted on 10/07/2012 5:35:46 PM PDT by albionin
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To: albionin

Where does logic come from, if not from our transcendent God?


32 posted on 10/07/2012 9:57:06 PM PDT by anathemized (cursed by some, blessed in Jesus)
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To: albionin
"logic says “It exists therefore I believe it”."

Nonsense. In fact the three basic logical axioms, as first stated by Aristotle and which comprise the foundation of the scientific method, cannot be proven logically nor can they be empirically proven by reason. The laws of Identity, Contradiction and The Excluded Middle as accepted as first principles or, in other words, as a matter of faith.

36 posted on 10/08/2012 2:54:25 AM PDT by circlecity
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