Posted on 09/18/2012 11:20:37 AM PDT by Red Badger
Maybe I’m a layman, and just read what is written, but isn’t the church supposed to be a like a bride, for Christ? Why wouldn’t He then refer to the church as “my wife, the church”?
/simplest explanation is usually the one that is right
Well, the main point is that Jesus’ mission here on earth was not to get married and sire a genetic line of descendants. This would be a detraction from the real reason He came here.
His mission was to be a sacrifice for all so that jew and gentile alike could inherit eternal life if they believe in Him, and be adopted into God’s family.
God’s need for human sex to accomplish things is nonexistant. He had the power to become flesh, He has the power to make all peoples part of His family without them having to be part of His personal genetic dynasty.
It would mean he was wrong all the time....
:)
1) Had Jesus married, it would not have been a sin. So, a claim that he was married would not detract from his sinless nature. (Not that I believe he was married—I don’t.)
2) The Bible repeatedly talks about the church (the body of believers) as being the bride of Christ. Remember, we’re reading someone’s translation of this scrap into English. Bride and wife mean the same thing. Had the translator chosen bride instead of wife “Jesus said: my bride” it wouldn’t be controversial to most Christian’s ears at all, as most would interpret it as a reference to the church.
3) There are thousands of “early christian” manuscripts floating around that are obvious fake/uninspired even to non-experts. There’s no reason to think this scrap didn’t come from a similar fake/uninspired manuscript unless it can be proven otherwise (in other words, finding a copy of the manuscript in its entirety so it can be analyzed).
Me too. My schedule is booked. I'll try to fit it in however. Maybe we should look at outsourcing our rioting on days we are busy?
There are probably some well qualified offshore companies that could handle our individual rioting needs at a reasonable price.
Ten bucks says the end result will be about Jesus referring to the church as his “Bride” - but some doofus is trying to gin up publicity by creating a “controversy”.
Ten bucks also says that IF jesus was married his wife was well past puberty.
King, the Hollis Professor of Divinity at Harvard Divinity School, announced the existence of the ancient text at the congress’ meeting, held every four years and hosted this year by the Vatican’s Institutum Patristicum Augustinianum in Rome. The four words that appear on the fragment translate to “Jesus said to them, my wife.” The words, written in Coptic, a language of Egyptian Christians, are on a papyrus fragment of about one and a half inches by three inches.
I'll bet Mormons are ecstatic over the news!
Related thread:
Was Jesus Married?
Occam’s Razor............
It's of no value for telling us anything about Jesus and the original disciples--it may shed light on what some divergent quasi-Christian group in Egypt thought 300 years later.
“...is the Church”?
“...is those who hear the Word and do it”?
See, at this point, we don’t know.
Where did you think the line “Take my wife... Please” come from?
My personal view on this is that knowing his mission and his destiny he would not have wanted to put a wife through the horror of being widowed by the Crucifixion. Nor would he have wanted to muddle the message about us all being Redeemed Children of the Father by leaving actual blood descendants behind to stir controversy.
(I’m more worthy than you, as I’m a blood descendant of the Savior).
Muslims always get into spitting matches about who is blood descended from their prophets from what I’m told.
ROTFL!
The entire quote in its context was “Jesus said, ‘Take my wife, please!’”
Add to that, on the cross, He turns familial responsibility of His mother over to John, so that she would have someone to provide for her. He doesn't mention anyone taking care of a wife. Mary Magdalene, whom many "scholars" seem to list as the front runner in the wife category was standing right there. John 19:25-27
The entire quote in its context was “Jesus said, ‘Take my wife, please!’”
“Take my wife........please”............
GMTA!..............
My faith is based on a very personal salvation experience.
It is not rooted in the details of the church teachings or "belief". Same for things like the Shroud of Turin, the exact locations of sites like tombs, etc.
While I find them interesting, and I seek to learn more, I am strong in my faith in my Lord.
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