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Responding to concerns over the budget proposed by Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan, which some Catholic bishops and other critics had called immoral because it cut programs to the poor, the archbishop pointed out that people of good faith can legitimately disagree over the role of government in providing aid to the poor.

“Jesus tells us very clearly that if we don’t help the poor, we’re going to go to hell,” he insisted. “But Jesus didn’t say the government has to take care of them, or that we have to pay taxes to take care of them. Those are prudential judgments”....

....The archbishop, while noting he is a registered independent, said he has “deep personal concerns about any party that supports changing the definition of marriage, supports abortion in all circumstances, wants to restrict the traditional understanding of religious freedom.”

1 posted on 09/17/2012 11:38:59 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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Tennessee Nana on voting for Obama or Willard: ‘I certainly can’t vote for somebody who’s pro-choice’


2 posted on 09/17/2012 11:53:26 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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Faith in Obama is never what could be called “good faith”.

It is faith in degeneracy and evil, all dressed up in glitzy phrases and with inspired touches of apparent virtue superimposed over the most base elements of the darkest part of the psyche.

“Gimme” is painted as a plea for mercy, and the most brutal of acts are called “unfortunate misunderstandings”. Time-honored rituals and custons are perverted and redefined into unrecogniability, while all the external trappings seem to remain unchanged, and it is, after all, a “personal choice”. All the while any REAL choices are foreclosed and made inaccessible, both through indoctrination of large numbers, and by social peer pressure being placed on the ones who do not conform to the new indoctrination.

It is a time to test men’s souls.


3 posted on 09/17/2012 12:01:56 PM PDT by alloysteel (Something like 95% of the personal woe in this world is self-induced.)
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Better now than never I guess, but why wasn't this brought up before the 2008 election. Obama was just as pro-abortion then as he is now.
4 posted on 09/17/2012 12:02:36 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Alex Murphy
Oh, yes. I almost forgot: RCIA.
11 posted on 09/17/2012 12:22:23 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Socialism and communism are intrinsically evil because they destroy the individual. I’m paraphrasing Pope John Paul here.


43 posted on 09/17/2012 3:16:21 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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Archbishop Chaput will be speaking at the Los Angeles Cathedral Prayer Breakfast, tomorrow, Tuesday, Sept. 18. The event will be live streamed here:

http://p23.worshipstream.com/13/CathedralEvents

starting at 6:30 a.m. Pacific Time. Rosary at 6:30, Mass at 7 with the prayer breakfast afterwards. I presume it will be available afterwards on the cathedral website, but don’t know for sure.


67 posted on 09/17/2012 6:44:54 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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95 posted on 09/17/2012 9:08:26 PM PDT by narses
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I don’t mean to start a religious war, but I’ve often observed that if American Catholics voted their theology we wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with.


128 posted on 09/19/2012 4:58:48 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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Good for this archbishop!

As conservative Protestants, now we have to do some work in our own circles to get our own houses in order.

Roman Catholics will excommunicate pro-abortion politicians. I think most local conservative Reformed and Lutheran churches would do the same. Perhaps we finally have the critical mass needed to get our synods and general assemblies to take a similar stance to that of the Roman Catholic Church, which on this point is correct.

Baptists, charismatics, and broad evangelicals have a different political tradition and often have different views of church government so I realize that step would be much harder for them, but I think Calvinists and Lutherans (at least in the Wisconsin Synod and Missouri Synod, and in the PCA, OPC, and maybe EPC) might be ready to take that step.

Official synodical and general assembly position papers opposing abortion mean very little if members are free to advocate baby-killing and sodomy without consequences. I think it's time for Calvinists take action to implement our teaching on church discipline being the third mark of the true church, and for Lutherans to take whatever action is consistent with their own theology to discipline open advocates of gross public sin.

130 posted on 09/20/2012 6:41:11 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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