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Outrage at friar's claims that it is often the teenage boys who seduce priests...
mail online ^ | 8.31.2012 | Daniel Miller

Posted on 08/31/2012 8:03:38 PM PDT by Morgana

FULL TITLE: Outrage at friar's claims that it is often the teenage boys who seduce priests in religious sex abuse cases... and he calls Sandusky 'a poor guy'

A friar has sparked outrage after claiming it is often the boys who seduce priests in religious sexual abuse cases.

In an interview with the National Catholic Register, Father Benedict Groeschel of the conservative Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, said he did not believe a priest found guilty of sexual absuse should go to jail if it was his first offence.

He even went on to describe disgraced Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky as a 'poor guy'.

Father Groeschel, an influential voice in the American catholic community, has written several books and appears weekly on a religious television network.

He said: 'People have this picture in their minds of a person planning to [be] a psychopath.

'But that’s not the case. Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him. A lot of the cases, the youngster — 14, 16, 18 — is the seducer.'

He added: 'Here’s this poor guy Sandusky it went on for years. Interesting: Why didn’t anyone say anything? Apparently, a number of kids knew about it and didn’t break the ice.

'Well, you know, until recent years, people did not register in their minds that it was a crime. It was a moral failure, scandalous; but they didn’t think of it in terms of legal things.'

'If you go back 10 or 15 years ago with different sexual difficulties — except for rape or violence — it was very rarely brought as a civil crime.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: catholic; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; pedophelia; pervert
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Who is this guy and is he serious?
1 posted on 08/31/2012 8:03:53 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

I’m speachless....


2 posted on 08/31/2012 8:06:18 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Voter ID Equals "No Representation Without Respiration")
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To: Morgana

Probably a lib in disguise.


3 posted on 08/31/2012 8:08:28 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Morgana

Actually, he’s a big-time figure on ETWN

http://www.ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?SeriesID=7054&T1=


4 posted on 08/31/2012 8:09:22 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: Morgana

They need to get a warrant and check this guy’s computer. Probably some very interesting — and disgusting — things in there.


5 posted on 08/31/2012 8:11:33 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert ( "Be Breitbart, baby!")
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To: Morgana

Suppose this is even remotely true, The Priest shouldn’t just say no, go away, not right, not interested?

Un-freakin-believable.

The Mayans were right. It’s all over 12/21/2012.

Weirder and weirder everyday..........


6 posted on 08/31/2012 8:12:22 PM PDT by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

Methinks you are on to something.


7 posted on 08/31/2012 8:13:52 PM PDT by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: Morgana

I met Father Groeschel years ago at the Washington March For Life and used to watch him on EWTN before he was seriously injured in an accident.

He prayed outside of abortion mills for years. I always looked up to him (and I’m not Catholic).

This is shocking and heartbreaking.


8 posted on 08/31/2012 8:26:30 PM PDT by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: Morgana
Who is this guy and is he serious?

He's the founder, IIRC of the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal. Sadly, in 2004, he was hit by a car, and suffered broken arms, legs, head trauma, and was hospitalized for a really long time.

IIRC, he suffered either some heart attacks, and strokes during the subsequent hospitalization, so, I think he's probably "just not right in the head", anymore.

9 posted on 08/31/2012 8:28:52 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. This is FreeRepublic, afterall.)
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To: Morgana

I heard he has brain damage from a bad accident. There was a thread earlier today on this.


10 posted on 08/31/2012 8:29:42 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Morgana

Now I understand why Friar Tuck was always hanging out with those merry men.


11 posted on 08/31/2012 8:35:50 PM PDT by Krankor (Green-eyed lady, lovely lady Strolling slowly towards the sun)
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To: Morgana

FWIW: He’s pretty ill and has cognitive problems, the story was pulled and statements issued.

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/father-benedict-groeschel-reflects-on-25-years-of-the-franciscan-friars-of/


12 posted on 08/31/2012 8:46:42 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

Bet they won’t find a single thing. These freaks know how to ‘lock’ a computer so that the FBI’s best people can’t even see into it.

There was a guy who was accused of child molestation, I think, and I remember reading how no one could come up with the many codes to get into it. (I think he was in the DA’s office or something like that and he killed himself when he was surrounded by LE.)


13 posted on 08/31/2012 8:52:55 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Father Benedict Groeschel is suffering from dementia, and Alzheimer’s. Over the last year I’ve watched his cognitive abilities fail drastically. You have no idea who this man is, or what he’s accomplished in his life.


14 posted on 08/31/2012 9:01:29 PM PDT by heights
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To: this_ol_patriot

Father Groechel is an upright and holy priest. I’m thinking this is just another hit piece on someone the media doesn’t like.

The fact that it came from email, too, bothers me.


15 posted on 08/31/2012 9:02:48 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Morgana

Father Groeschel, an influential voice in the American catholic community, <<<

LMAO...Not any more Pal!


16 posted on 08/31/2012 9:12:50 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: heights

Yes, he should not have been interviewed in the first place due to his chronic ill health. This really stinks of bad political orchestration of some malevolence.


17 posted on 08/31/2012 9:19:59 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ... there is no such thing as coincidence)
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To: heights

Excuse me. You have no idea who I am.

And my comment was an answer to someone else, not you.


18 posted on 08/31/2012 9:31:07 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Morgana

Fr. Benedict Groeschel is a PhD Psychologist and a good conservative man. He works in the streets in Brooklyn and is well-respected. Do you just think they are taking words out of context and making a mountain out of a molehill? And what might be the reason?


19 posted on 08/31/2012 9:32:23 PM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: heights

Thank you, heights. He is a good man, and yes, his cognitive abilities have deteriorated a lot over the last year.


20 posted on 08/31/2012 9:33:46 PM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: Domestic Church

I agree, some sort of power play within the Church. Liberal Catholics have always disliked him.


21 posted on 08/31/2012 9:36:29 PM PDT by heights
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To: Morgana

http://franciscanfriars.com/for-immediate-release-august-30-2102/

I think he may not have said most of the original interview - he probably can’t talk much and certainly not in such a coherent way. I suspect this is an ugly sabotage now.


22 posted on 08/31/2012 9:39:18 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ... there is no such thing as coincidence)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

You intimate that a Holy and righteous man, might be hiding Child pornography on his computer. Your right, I don’t know you, or do I wish to.


23 posted on 08/31/2012 9:42:47 PM PDT by heights
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To: heights

The powerplay is not from the church per se - probably from outside using the liberal pawns.


24 posted on 08/31/2012 9:43:30 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ... there is no such thing as coincidence)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

That is exactly the response they were trying to elicit by this online article.


25 posted on 08/31/2012 9:45:38 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ... there is no such thing as coincidence)
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To: heights

Does anyone know if Father Groeschel will no longer have his “Sunday Night Live” show on EWTN?

What a towering intellect Father Groeschel had in his prime. He has probably forgotten more than most of us will ever know. I think the coma after the accident, the stroke, and general aging are starting to take a toll on him. The poster who said his computer should be checked for child porn made an ignorant and scurilous statement. I saw Father give several conferences in Lexington, Ky in 2002 and it was a tour de force. He was still quite sharp. Pray for Father Groeschel. He is a saint who has been imprisoned for his defense of the unborn.


26 posted on 08/31/2012 9:46:27 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: Morgana
'Well, you know, until recent years, people did not register in their minds that it was a crime. It was a moral failure, scandalous; but they didn’t think of it in terms of legal things.'

Actually, apart from certain religious, they did consider it a crime.

27 posted on 08/31/2012 9:53:59 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: MDLION

His audio shows seem to have been removed from the Ewtn web-site library. Very disheartening.


28 posted on 08/31/2012 10:01:04 PM PDT by heights
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To: Morgana

The Spider And The Fly

“Will you walk into my parlor?” said the fly to the spider;
“’Tis the prettiest little parlor that ever you may spy.
The way into my parlor is up a winding stair,
And I have many curious things to show when you are there.”
“Oh no, no,” said the big spider to the little fly; “to ask me is in vain,
For who goes up your winding stair can ne’er come down again.”

“I’m sure you must be weary, dear, with spinning up so high.
Well you rest upon my little bed?” said the fly to the spider.
“There are pretty curtains drawn around; the sheets are fine and thin,
And if you like to rest a while, I’ll snugly tuck you in!”
“Oh no, no,” said the big spider, “for I’ve often heard it said,
They never, never wake again who sleep upon your bed!”

Said the cunning fly to the spider: “Dear friend, what can I do
To prove the warm affection I’ve always felt for you?
I have within my pantry good store of all that’s nice;
I’m sure you’re very welcome - will you please to take a slice?”
“Oh no, no,” said the Big spider; “kind Lady Fly, that cannot be:
I’ve heard what’s in your pantry, and I do not wish to see!”

“Sweet creature!” said the little fly, “you’re witty and you’re wise;
How handsome are your long legs; how brilliant are your many eyes!
I have a little looking-glass upon my parlor shelf;
If you’d step in one moment, dear, you shall behold yourself.”
“I thank you, gentle Lady,” he said, “for what you’re pleased to say,
And, bidding you good morning now, I’ll call another day.”

The fly turned him round about, and went into her corner,
For well she knew the silly spider would soon come back again:
So she set a subtle meal in a little corner sly,
And set her table ready to dine upon the spider;
Then came out to her door again and merrily did sing:
“Come hither, hither, pretty spider, with pearl eyes and silver legs;
Your robes are red and black; there’s an hourglass upon your head;
Your eyes are like many diamonds bright, but mine are red as blood!”

Alas, alas! how very soon this silly silly spider,
Hearing her wily, flattering words, came slowly walking by;
With magic spinning movements he hung aloft, then near and nearer grew,
Thinking only of his hundreds of brilliant eyes and black and red hue,
Thinking only of his hourglass head. Poor, foolish thing! at last
Up jumped the cunning fly, and fiercely held the spider fast;
She dragged him up her winding stair, into the dismal corner wall-
Within her little parlor - but he ne’er came out again!

And now, dear little children, who may this story read,
To idle, silly flattering words I pray you ne’er give heed;
Unto an evil counselor close heart and ear and eye,
And take a lesson from this tale of the spider and the fly.


29 posted on 08/31/2012 10:01:48 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Fly eats Spider!- where?? who knew?)
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To: Morgana

This guy is a pedophile. That is exactly what pedos say, “the child seduced me.”


30 posted on 08/31/2012 10:20:20 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: Salvation
There was an actual article and he actually said that within the circumstances I linked above.

Why the editors ever published it is beyond me considering the National Catholic Register is a service of EWTN and Father Groeschel is an respected and well liked host of one of their shows. Maybe that bears investigation.

31 posted on 08/31/2012 10:43:02 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: Morgana
'Well, you know, until recent years, people did not register in their minds that it was a crime. It was a moral failure, scandalous; but they didn’t think of it in terms of legal things.'

What a load of road apples! This has ALWAYS been considered a sin in Christianity and child molestation is most certainly a crime in America and has been in every state for many, many years.

    Child sexual abuse is nowadays outlawed in almost all countries,[1][2] generally with severe criminal penalties, including in some jurisdictions, life imprisonment or capital punishment. An adult's sexual intercourse with a minor below the legal age of consent is defined as statutory rape,[3][4] based on the principle that an abusing adult is a criminal deviant who takes advantage of a minor, who is not capable of consent, and that any apparent consent by a minor could not be considered legal consent. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_child_sexual_abuse

Read this thread about St. Peter Damian's Book of Gomorrah: Homosexual Situation Graver than Damian's Time. Damian's book was written in the early part of the eleventh century. Homosexuality and pederasty among the clergy is NOTHING new.

32 posted on 08/31/2012 10:54:04 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Morgana
He is a throwback to what was the dominant school of thought before the Meese Commission revealed to the public just how widespread and damaging pedophilia is.
33 posted on 08/31/2012 10:55:05 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Morgana
Considering the renown of Fr. Groeschel, I find it hard to believe that if anyone had been molested by him they would keep quiet about it. I would like to think that perhaps he heard these types of comments in the confessional and in his infirm state they came spilling out. Fr. has given his whole life in service to the Lord. How very sad he should go out this way

EWTN - who will they have left? Fr. Corapi gone. Fr. Euteneuer gone. Now Fr. Groeschel. Satan never, ever sleeps. Prayers for the victimized everywhere.

34 posted on 08/31/2012 11:00:19 PM PDT by informavoracious
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To: heights
Father Benedict Groeschel is suffering from dementia, and Alzheimer’s. Over the last year I’ve watched his cognitive abilities fail drastically. You have no idea who this man is, or what he’s accomplished in his life.

Yet he still has a regular program on EWTN and is let loose to respond to interviews and post his thoughts on the web site? Do you think he was talking about his genuine views on this subject or was he having a "senior moment"? Will someone be monitoring him now?

35 posted on 08/31/2012 11:00:22 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: this_ol_patriot

The article was in the Charlotte Observer newspaper today, too. NOT a smear campaign from an Email.


36 posted on 08/31/2012 11:02:12 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Morgana

SAD!


37 posted on 08/31/2012 11:03:42 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: boatbums

The other guy said it was an email.


38 posted on 08/31/2012 11:05:59 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: Morgana

Maybe he felt this way for years but because of his accident and age he no longer has the mental filter to stop saying what he is thinking.


39 posted on 08/31/2012 11:08:38 PM PDT by turn_to
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To: this_ol_patriot
I know. Thanks. I thought it needed to be said that this was not some anonymous email sent out to smear someone for saying something he didn't really say. Unfortunately, that seems to be the knee jerk reaction whenever anything of this sort is posted.
40 posted on 08/31/2012 11:12:46 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Morgana
He should be investigated about his history. Something does not ring right. I use to watch his show until after the accident. He did not make sense anymore. But that talk is wrong. I met him on the streets of NYcity. He was a wonderful presence.

I do know an abused person not by clergy but relatives. He was so confused he would go to any because of sex. He thought this was normal behind doors as a kid. This is how far this abuse ruined a life. He would initiate the act because he thought it was normal as a kid.

Now this priest is a therapist. Could he be trying to explain this bad side of abuse? I do not know but he needs to be investigated. He has some kind of misplaced spiritual love for a first time offender who needs to be contained from children to say the least.

41 posted on 08/31/2012 11:18:41 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: boatbums

Oh ok, yes, that’s why I posted the link from the Register, there was an interview and they did publish it. The WSJ referenced it too.


42 posted on 08/31/2012 11:32:09 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: Morgana

It is true, sometimes the teen is the seducer.

That does not remove culpability from the of-age adult.

I have an acquaintance who was seduced by a trio of admittedly underage teens. He was reported to the police by the teens who admitted on the witness stand they were blackmailing him for thousands of dollars to keep quiet, and reported him because he didn’t pay. This did not keep keep him out of jail for life. (135 years for three teenagers)

He does belong in jail. But IMHO the teens are just as disgusting.


43 posted on 08/31/2012 11:40:47 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Morgana
If the boys are older teenagers, he might be right about them trying to seduce the priests. This, of course, doesn't mean the priest should have done anything except make sure the boys got proper counseling.

I don't know about homosexual sin oriented young men, but I do know that some girls in my high school were very seductive towards adult men, who usually didn't succumb, but I know one teacher that did. Some of the girls in my high school had the mentality of 40 year old prostitutes. There was not much innocent about them at all.

44 posted on 09/01/2012 12:33:10 AM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Morgana
Well, you know, until recent years, people did not register in their minds that it was a crime. It was a moral failure, scandalous; but they didn’t think of it in terms of legal things.'

This makes me question the article. Any Priest of his standing should know about 'millstone tied about their neck and cast into the sea.'

Such a scriptural failure just doesn't sound right.

I think someone is out to scuttle him, or the damage from the accident was worse than it was thought to be.

45 posted on 09/01/2012 12:43:45 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Morgana

it’s a priest psychologist and alas, back in the 1980’s such cases were not prosecuted. In 1970’s some on the front line of medicine were saying teenagers should be allowed to have sex and older mentors should train them.

And I don’t know about boys, but if you had a girl who had been sexually abused, you had to warn her fosterparents/grandparents/adoptive parents that she would try to seduce the men in the family.

And since one cdc survey shows 12 to 24 percent of gay teens had “intercourse” below age 13, it looks like no one worries about it unless it was by a priest.

one should note that the priest has already apologized (it was on a live program) and most folks who watched the show are aware that he is slow of speech and gets things mixed up a lot, after a major brain injury (he is mainly an interviewer on the show).

but of course this is only a way for the PC to destroy the priest and mother angelica’s catholic tv net work, so don’t rely on the press coverage.


46 posted on 09/01/2012 2:43:43 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: LadyDoc

Irrespective of the circumstances involving this particular interview and this particular priest - who I don’t know anything about, the Catholic church needs to be beyond any reproach regarding this issue. If you can’t trust the church to protect children, you just can’t trust the church.


47 posted on 09/01/2012 5:37:35 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Morgana

I didn't like that theme when my English teacher covered it so long ago. I still don't.

48 posted on 09/01/2012 6:18:11 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Morgana

No doubt this guy is as queer as a football bat and he’s worried someone is going to come forward and reveal his secrets...


49 posted on 09/01/2012 6:42:36 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: heights

My comment was actually about someone else. Knowing people with traumatic brain injuries, I have yet to hear any of them defend heinous crimes and make excuses for the people who commit them.


50 posted on 09/01/2012 6:46:54 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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