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“The growth of Protestant churches...”

Your post, while rightly condemning the practice of contraception, also engages in a polemic under the premise that what Rome effectually teaches is the opposite of the things you charge Protestantism with, while failing to distinguish btwn two basic classes of Protestants.

It is not so Protestant churches that are growing overall, but evangelical ones, which separation is due to the Protestant mainliners becoming institutionalized and liberal like Rome, and these overall are dying, and both attack evangelical conservative churches.

And i do say that most of those in such institutionalized churches have not been born again. And as for the supposed 33k denoms, see here, http://contra-gentes.blogspot.com/2008/04/doctrinal-chaos-argument-one-of.html while disagreements and formal divisions also are a result of sola ecclesia, and under which are found the great heresies.

Nor were Luther and Reformers characterized by preaching antinominanism, but the opposite. http://peacebyjesus.tripod.com//Reformation_faith_works.html While it is Rome which fosters easy believism, that all that really matters is that you die in the arms of Rome. Only when they convert to evangelical faith is great concern for their souls manifest.

As far as a contraception is concerned, you are correct that it is wrong, though few realize it can result in abortions, and which needs to be made known (substantiation would help), yet the majority of RCs whom Rome treats as members also use it without fear, while also being more liberal in moral views than their evangelical counterparts, who are hardly functionally identical to atheists: http://peacebyjesus.tripod.com/RC-Stats_vs._Evang.html

While conservative Catholics consider their liberal counterparts as self-excommunicated, Rome treats them as members in life and in death, which even the treatment of “notorious public sinners” (who are basically sppsd to be formerly disfellowshipped) such as Ted Kennedy exampled.

As politicians reveal, it is not what is officially said that reveals belief, but what is characteristically exampled. And while Prots can formally separate from liberal churches, many conservative Catholics find the only way they can separate from their liberal counterparts is to be in schism, such as SSPX groups.

In addition, unlike in the past, while Protestants in general are taking the country down, yet they are joined by a majority of Catholics in so doing, but both stand in sharp contrast to the overall evangelical vote and in values.

However, both faiths are in overall spiritual decline, while in numbers Mormonism, Islam, non-affiliated and Wicca are the fastest growing faiths. Yet in a real sense the pre-college young are more open than in recent years, but are the most Scripturally ignorant and morally confused generation America ever raised. And which the historical evangelical preaching of the gospel of repentance and faith, followed by works, must reach.

"but evangelical ones, which separation is due to the Protestant mainliners becoming institutionalized and liberal like Rome"

ROTFLMAO Like Rome, sure. So, they're standing firm against abortion and abortion by contraception? Teaching what Christ and the Apostles taught rather than what Luther and Calvin made up to suit themselves? Keeping the entire Bible Christ and the Apostles never once said had errors rather than throwing out portions that even Luther couldn't figure out how to twist to suit his own agenda? Nah, Protestants don't do any of those things.

The fact is that it's not Rome that's liberal, it's Americans in general who are unabashedly extremely liberal in all matters of Faith. So liberal in fact that every single "back to the Bible" or "return to basics" effort turns into just another gang of Jesus Freaks pretending that emotion is the same thing as faith. Those who were once Catholic and have left The One True Church have been enticed into heresy of Core by the Protestant lifestyle that puts the value of an unencumbered sex life above the value of human life and the value of their own predispositions above the Word of God.

The majority of the population standing around pretending that saying the magic words is the same bearing your cross and following Christ are bound to attract the weak, the weakest of the weak in fact and that's who has left His Church to join the "Evangelical" folks who can't even understand simple Scripture like, "this is my body". The very sort of people anxious to be a part of the majority rather than being true to Christ and Christianity, that's who leaves The One True Church, the same sort that are already outside of it and are so blind they can't see their own errors.

Hey, but that's OK. Keep on murdering those infants, telling each other that it's not a problem, pretending you're following Christ, and ignoring the fact that anyone who endorses the murder of infants through contraception isn't Christian in any way, shape or form. The majority of the population is Protestant so just sit with the majority, turn up the music, and have a good time.

I feel great sorrow over the lost folks in this country breezing down the broad highway and claiming they're on a rough and rocky road. They've fallen for a strong delusion, one that Luther revived and they've accepted in order to rationalize whatever sort of behavior they want to enjoy. People who can ignore their hero Paul calling marriage a sacrament and pretend baptism isn't a sacrament but claim to be Christian have already fallen for the very "great delusion" they like to pretend someone else is falling for or will fall for. Instead of begging Christ to open their eyes, though, they much prefer to focus on Great Surrender and Evacuation they've made into a bestselling doctrine built on lies and half truths along with a dash of ignorance.

Yeah, those beasts and boogie men draw a crowd and if that doesn't work there's always "Christian" rock to bring the wallets in and pump them up before passing the hat. Good clean work with no heaving lifting, that's the motto of the folks preaching in almost every "Evangelical" church and I've been to one heck of a lot of them. No matter how popular or how good such a delusion feels, it is a blatant denial of the Kingship of Christ and directly opposite of what Scripture teaches. But you know, it sure does sell, just like telling people to say the magic words rather than taking up their cross sells. Just like denying that murder by contraception is still murder. Just like pretending that saying a few magic words is what Christ had in mind when he said to take up your cross.

The only differences between the "institutional" Protestant crowd and all the "Evangelicals" is that the two groups choose to ignore different sins, prefer slightly different flavors of heresy, and market themselves to different segments of the population, that's all. And that goes double for "Fundamentalists", too. Except for the SBC that holds fast to three and almost four, ninety percent of "Fundamentalists" have totally dropped four of the five things the founders of what is called Fundamentalism originally outlined.

Bash Rome and Catholicism all you like, but doing so is doing the bidding of the Father of Lies who eggs anti-Catholicism on the same way he leads most "Evangelicals" to stop bothering to even show up for church now and then after a few years. It's the land of the Father of Lies people who obey him will spend eternity in regretting having not listened to The One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church Christ Himself founded rather than a horny alcoholic guy five hundred years ago who couldn't even keep an oath or keep from telling a lies lies nearly every time he spoke a sober word.

you have a nice day now, ya' hear?