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What is Cardinal Dolan Up To?
Crisis Magazine ^ | August 6, 2012 | Charlie Spiering

Posted on 08/06/2012 1:33:31 PM PDT by NYer

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What is Cardinal Dolan up to? According to reports, Dolan has extended an invitation to President Obama to the annual Al Smith dinner in New York City. The president, reportedly, has accepted.

Historically, the dinner is one of the most prestigious political events in New York City particularly during a presidential election year and candidates from both parties usually attend.

Known for its lighthearted political speeches, the major speakers deliver a series of self-deprecating jokes while ribbing their opponent at the same time. In October 2008, Senator John McCain and Senator Barack Obama both attended the dinner, accepting an invitation by Cardinal Egan of New York. During the dinner, Cardinal Eagan expressed his “delight” that Obama and McCain had attended, called them “outstanding exemplary Americans.”

But this year, some Catholics are surprised to hear that Archbishop Dolan had invited Obama, now that he is president. Should the Archbishop associate a fundraiser for Catholic Charities with a leader whose administration remains defiantly opposed to Church moral teachings?

It’s not unprecedented in a presidential election year for a candidate not to be invited. In 1996, Cardinal O’Connor did not invite President Clinton or Senator Dole to the dinner and, in 2004, neither Sen. John Kerry nor President Bush were invited.

Obama’s attendance at the dinner this year could be awkward, particularly since the Catholic Church’s relationship with Obama has been severely tested in the battle over his administration’s contraception coverage mandate issued by the Department of Health and Human Services.

According to Dolan, Obama assured that his administration would not “impede” the work of the Catholic Church. But once the mandate was issued, Catholic bishops publicly denounced the move, calling it a threat to religious freedom. What’s worse, administration officials who met with the bishops about the mandate refused to compromise in any meaningful way.

Dolan spoke out against the mandate, but was charitable when publicly speaking about Obama’s motives.

“I think I believe him when he says that he highly regards the work of the Church and does not want his administration to impede any of that,” Dolan said about the President on CBS during the controversy.

But Dolan insisted that the mandate is “straightjacketing,” “handcuffing” and “strangling” the Church and suggested that the members of Obama’s administration were either insensitive or ignorant of their concerns.

The Archdiocese of New York joined the University of Notre Dame and over 40 other religious organizations filing suit against the Obama administration to block the mandate. After announcing the lawsuit, Dolan issued a statement declaring that the issue was now up to the courts.

“We have tried negotiation with the administration and legislation with the Congress—and will keep at it—and there’s still no fix,” he stated. “Time is running out, and our precious ministries and fundamental rights hang in the balance, so we have to resort to the courts now.”

Additionally, Obama has further dismayed faithful Catholics after he expressed his support of same-sex marriage. Obama has also refused to defend the Defense of Marriage Act in court.

In spite of their differences, Dolan appears willing to extend an olive branch to the president. Perhaps in this case, Dolan is conceding the political battle to be charitable and out of respect of the tradition of the dinner. The dinner raises millions for Catholic Charities each year and often serves as a symbol of bi-partisanship right before the presidential election.

Already, some Catholics are grumbling that the Archbishop’s public association with Obama may suggest a reluctance to oppose the president’s policies on abortion or religious freedom.

It has not been confirmed whether or not Republican candidate Mitt Romney has been invited, but presumably he will don a white tie and exchange jokes with the president and some of the wealthiest American citizens in New York City.

Dolan will also be given the opportunity to address both candidates in the national spotlight. While it is unlikely he will be able to change the president’s mind on these issues, he might see the dinner as an opportunity to defend religious liberty before the American public.

Hopefully the irony of Obama’s relationship with the Catholic Church will not be lost in the humorous tone of the event. It certainly won’t be lost on the media, who will frame it in the most dramatic terms.

Dolan is known for his sense of humor, which often characterizes his public remarks.

“What weighs on me the most,” Dolan explained in an interview in 2011, “is the caricature of the Catholic Church as crabby, nay-saying, down in the dumps, discouraging, on the run. And I’m thinking if there is anything that should be upbeat, affirming, positive, joyful, it should be people of faith.”

Perhaps Dolan can be both gracious and critical while speaking about the president. The end result may teach Americans a significant lesson just before the presidential election.



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: alsmith; alsmithdinner; bho2012; catholicvote; dolan; obama

1 posted on 08/06/2012 1:33:33 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
Jesus dined with sinners and ate at the house of Zacchaeus the Tax Collector. What was the reaction of his disciples? They were scandalized. But Jesus had a purpose in this.

For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save what was lost.
Luke 19:10

Like the disciples, we tend to rush to judgement far too readily. Let's give Dolan the benefit of the doubt.

2 posted on 08/06/2012 1:37:22 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

Church leaders are still deluding themselves into thinking they can negotiate/compromise with Obama or get him to back down. Anything but deal with the reality that he MUST be defeated.


3 posted on 08/06/2012 1:40:00 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NYer

A banner appeared on our historic church this weekend. It says: “Without Life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness are nothing! Vote Pro-Life.”

Hopefully, Dolan is going to teach the faithful a lesson in advance of Novemeber. Buh Bye, Obumbums.


4 posted on 08/06/2012 1:49:42 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (ABO)
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To: NYer
Jesus dined with sinners and ate at the house of Zacchaeus the Tax Collector. What was the reaction of his disciples? They were scandalized. But Jesus had a purpose in this. For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save what was lost. Luke 19:10 Like the disciples, we tend to rush to judgement far too readily. Let's give Dolan the benefit of the doubt.

this is willful folly.

cardinal dolan is a socialist.

5 posted on 08/06/2012 1:53:53 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (At what point does an escalated effort to remove this traitor commence, and what form does it take?)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Church leaders are still deluding themselves into thinking they can negotiate/compromise with Obama or get him to back down. Anything but deal with the reality that he MUST be defeated.

they are beholden to the establishment.

6 posted on 08/06/2012 1:55:06 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (At what point does an escalated effort to remove this traitor commence, and what form does it take?)
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To: NYer
Historically, the dinner is one of the most prestigious political events in New York City particularly during a presidential election year and candidates from both parties usually attend.

I don't agree with the archbishops decision, but I understand exactly why he did it.

7 posted on 08/06/2012 2:17:13 PM PDT by verga (Forced to remove tagline by administrator)
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To: the invisib1e hand
this is willful folly. cardinal dolan is a socialist.

You just made my point - Luke 6:37.

8 posted on 08/06/2012 2:25:14 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer
What is Cardinal Dolan Up To?

“In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. Let us pray. Bless us, O Lord, and these, Thy gifts, which we are about to receive from Thy bounty. Through Christ, our Lord. Amen. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.”

“Bless you, Your Eminence.”

“That wasn’t addressed to you, Mr. President.”

9 posted on 08/06/2012 2:29:46 PM PDT by RichInOC (Obama 2012: Before Reagan Was, I Am.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
cardinal dolan is a socialist.

Well, the fact that the US Bishops support socialized medicine except for the abortion plank suggests you may be right.

10 posted on 08/06/2012 2:42:28 PM PDT by what's up
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To: the invisib1e hand

And you practice calumny.


11 posted on 08/06/2012 2:51:25 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: NYer

Like the disciples, we tend to rush to judgement far too readily. Let’s give Dolan the benefit of the doubt.

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Thank you SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much for posting this. It is so true. LOTS of people are praying for Cardinal Dolan....for his protection, for wisdom, faithfulness, holiness, etc. This is according to the will of God. I believe God is answering those prayers. I will gladly give him the benefit of the doubt on this.


12 posted on 08/06/2012 3:05:07 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: the invisib1e hand

cardinal dolan is a socialist

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Based on what evidence?


13 posted on 08/06/2012 3:07:16 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: NYer

I understand what he’s trying to do. Only time will show whether it was a prudent course of action.


14 posted on 08/06/2012 3:18:30 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Get another cat.)
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To: SumProVita
Based on what evidence?

don't you tire of playing that game?

anyway, if you saw a sworn statement, you'd deny it, so have a nice day.

15 posted on 08/06/2012 3:28:02 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (At what point does an escalated effort to remove this traitor commence, and what form does it take?)
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To: NYer

Dolan should not have taken this path. I don’t care what his “secret” or “gotcha” motives are. They don’t override the slap in the face this invitation is to every rank-n-file, pewsitting Catholic.


16 posted on 08/06/2012 3:34:12 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: NYer
What is Cardinal Dolan up to? According to reports, Dolan has extended an invitation to President Obama to the annual Al Smith dinner in New York City.

The fox extends an invitation to the chicken...or
What did the meat slicer say to the baloney.

17 posted on 08/06/2012 3:46:37 PM PDT by GoldenPup (Comrade "O" has got to GO!!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I am not playing...and you, sir, have NO evidence.


18 posted on 08/06/2012 3:54:04 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: NYer

Why do I get the nagging feeling Dolan has been tamed somehow, either by a promise of a half-measure or worse.. blackmail? Will they soon appear together at a press conference announcing the finding of “common ground?”


19 posted on 08/06/2012 4:41:14 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: workerbee

I’m afraid after four years of making some inroads on my (democratic) fellow Catholics, stuff like this just encourages them to stay in the democrat fold.

I’ve been hammering away on abortion, gay marriage and now these health care mandates, and all of a sudden we have the cardinal, one who led the charge, making nicey-nice.

At best it’s confusing.


20 posted on 08/06/2012 4:42:46 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: SumProVita
my good judgment is evidence enough for me to post my opinion.

too funny. as if a socialist catholic bishop is rare.

21 posted on 08/06/2012 4:59:20 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (At what point does an escalated effort to remove this traitor commence, and what form does it take?)
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To: Alas Babylon!
I’m afraid after four years of making some inroads on my (democratic) fellow Catholics, stuff like this just encourages them to stay in the democrat fold. I’ve been hammering away on abortion, gay marriage and now these health care mandates, and all of a sudden we have the cardinal, one who led the charge, making nicey-nice. At best it’s confusing.

At best. What is the good bishop up to? The Democratic machine in Washington plays for keeps. Has he taken on too much here? Does he think that he can run with the Democratic dogs?

22 posted on 08/06/2012 6:02:27 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Cardinal dolan is a socialist

Perhaps it's someone like you that gives the socialist a pass and empowers them by weakness of argument of hiding behind a screename on free Republic ? Yet, you CRITICIZE someone like Cardinal Dolan who would deal with an enemy face to face like Our Blessed Lord did with the devil and with Pontius Pilate

It's obvious who is the weak in faith ,dear friend,...and it's not Cardinal Dolan, which leaves you know who

23 posted on 08/06/2012 6:34:10 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Alas Babylon!
At best it’s confusing.

It's hard to see FReeper Catholics support Dolan's invitation -- do they not see the danger, the inherent conflict in what such a thing represents?

I wonder if it would be better to suspend the whole Al Smith dinner altogether, than to come to this sort of "compromise."

24 posted on 08/06/2012 6:42:32 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: NYer

If he holds the line, as I believe he will, good move.

The Church can’t be engaged in the life of the country as she opposed the mandate but not engaged when an opportunity to maintain a civil tone comes up. It will show that our position is rooted in reason rather than instinct.


25 posted on 08/06/2012 7:21:24 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Church leaders are still deluding themselves into thinking they can negotiate/compromise with Obama or get him to back down. Anything but deal with the reality that he MUST be defeated.

Oh, I don't think Cardinal Dolan is under any delusions about Obama's veracity. He knows now EXACTLY what he's dealing with.

26 posted on 08/06/2012 7:44:33 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: NYer

Yeah, I’m gonna trust Dolan on this one. I’m glad he’s where he is right now and I’m not inclined to second guess...


27 posted on 08/06/2012 8:19:46 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I agree with you. This invitation is a disgrace.


28 posted on 08/07/2012 4:00:41 AM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (Lord Jesus, direct my mind, possess my heart, transform my life)
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To: the invisib1e hand

my good judgment is evidence enough for me

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Lol! WHERE is the evidence of your *good* judgment?


30 posted on 08/07/2012 5:09:31 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: stfassisi

You’re right about one thing mr assissi: my faith in cardinal Dolan is nowhere near as strong as yours.


31 posted on 08/07/2012 5:11:09 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (At what point does an escalated effort to remove this traitor commence, and what form does it take?)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Psychological projection?

;-o


32 posted on 08/07/2012 5:12:09 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: the invisib1e hand

It was wrong to label Cardinal Dolan as a socialist because he is meeting with a socialist.

Do you consider Ronald Reagan a communist because he met with Chinese President Li Xiannian? Hopefully you see the error of your labeling since you offered nothing other than unsubstantial rhetoric


35 posted on 08/07/2012 5:48:59 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: NYer

The fact that Obama was invited is an advantage for the Obama campaign.


36 posted on 08/07/2012 6:58:44 AM PDT by ardara
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To: SumProVita
The very topic of this thread is evidence, for starters. Then too are the cardinals own words: "The catholic church has been advocating for universal healthcare for nearly a hundred years!" "I'm a staunch union man!"

As I said, if there were a sworn statement, you'd deny it. And furthermore, an opinion is not the sort of thing for which a reasonable person demands "evidence" -- though I have given it, because it's so explicit. You could go read his blog for yourself.

And, yes, I've learned to trust my judgment, and hero-worship doesn't suit me, but you're on your own.

37 posted on 08/07/2012 10:34:29 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (At what point does an escalated effort to remove this traitor commence, and what form does it take?)
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To: NYer

Perhaps the invitation is for the purpose of an Exorcism to drive out demons and evil spirits from our government.


38 posted on 08/07/2012 12:53:45 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: the invisib1e hand

The topic is *evidence?* Incredible...

I see that you can still offer nothing but a repetitive lack of substantiation.


39 posted on 08/07/2012 1:03:34 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: ADSUM

I am furious at the Catholic Church ( myself a Catholic) for not following up and messaging harder about the perils of the HHS mandate. The Church remains in the hands of men and certainly, as someone suggested above, Dolan - who initially messaged hard against BHO, has fallen asleep over the last several months. Something tells me Dolan has been given the same ‘compromise’ that was given to Justice Roberts.


40 posted on 08/07/2012 1:12:18 PM PDT by schwingdoc
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To: NYer

I don’t know why so much is being made of this. I remember Al Gore, who was a well known pro-abort, along with then Candidate Bush give speeches at the Al Smith Dinner. Romney and Obama aren’t being paid, they’re not receiving any awards. I really don’t see the big deal. I hope the rich Catholics boo the both of them, but boo Obama more. Keep the bar open and they will. ;)


41 posted on 08/07/2012 1:23:16 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: the invisib1e hand
"The catholic church has been advocating for universal healthcare for nearly a hundred years!"

First, was it an intentional act of disrespect to use lower case "C"s on catholic and church when the original quote had them capitalized?

I would like to hear your reasoning on why you believe a the Church's position that everyone have access to affordable healthcare is a bad thing? Do you not want access to healthcare you can afford, and if not you and your family, who do you want to exclude?

Peace be with you

42 posted on 08/07/2012 3:03:11 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

“”The catholic church has been advocating for universal healthcare for nearly a hundred years!””

You don’t seem to realize Catholic teaching at all-without the Catholic Church there would be no ethical health care system in the world to treat sick people.

You seem to advocate that hospitals should turn people away in a socialistic manor of appointed man(not the laws of God) making decisions of pseudo and demonic psychological profiling to decide who is really sick and who is not.Thus, making man the god of deciding who is treated in hospitals and who lives and dies.

It’s becoming clear that you might be the socialist, even though you might not realize what you’re writing


43 posted on 08/07/2012 8:30:23 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi; All
Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

44 posted on 08/07/2012 8:41:53 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: stfassisi

A lot of people do not realize that the Catholic Church founded hospitals in Europe and then in the United States. We are the educators in this sense of putting forth facts.


45 posted on 08/07/2012 9:08:32 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; stfassisi
"A lot of people do not realize that the Catholic Church founded hospitals in Europe and then in the United States."

A lot of people still get everything they know from "The Awful Disclosures of Maria Monk".

Peace be with you

46 posted on 08/07/2012 9:23:52 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law

But what I want to know is Cardinal Dolan giving Holy Communion to that monkey-faced, baby murdering, sodomite-loving Andrew Cuomo? Cuomo spits in the face of the Catholic Church and all it’s teachings.


47 posted on 08/08/2012 8:08:59 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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