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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
"Every orthodox Catholic I know comprehends this."

Orthodox Catholics don't believe in the Pope and they don't share many of your Roman doctrines. Cardinal Bernardin was installed by the Magisterium, including the Pope and was one of their leaders. I forgot his name et al have been ordered by his Bishop to cease using the word Catholic to describe their defamation business, a business that defames Popes also.

Either the Church's Magisterium means something, or it don't. Some apostolic succession the Church has, when a lay bunch of clown fools running a defamation business claim a higher moral authority than the Popes, Cardinals, Archbishops, Bishops and priests do in their org.

29 posted on 07/25/2012 4:25:24 PM PDT by spunkets
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Orthodox Catholics don't believe in the Pope and they don't share many of your Roman doctrines.

You know, I've thought there was a disconnect in this entire discussion with you. I was under the assumption you were a fellow Catholic, and were responding as such. However, no Catholic I know would refer to a Catholic poster with this sentence above, "your Roman doctrines." Further, no educated conservative Catholic would confuse "orthodox Catholics" and "Orthodox Christians."

Therefore, one must conclude you are either the most ignorant and poorly catechized Catholic on FreeRepublic, or you are not Catholic. (Feel free to clarify which here.)

Regardless, you are in no position to be lecturing well educated orthodox Catholics (i.e., Catholics who believe the teachings of their Church and obey the Magisterium, and are not heterodox) who have been fighting these culture wars within the Church for years or decades.

Cardinal Bernardin was installed by the Magisterium, including the Pope and was one of their leaders.

You seem to think being an installed bishop makes him both impeccable and infallible. That is not Catholic doctrine, even in the case of a Pope. Would you be scandalized to learn that throughout our history there have been evil gravely sinful bishops, archbishops, Cardinals and even Popes, yes, even Popes? Infallibility only protects a Pope from making errors in matters of Faith and Morals when speaking ex cathedra. It does not prevent him from sinning, or appointing bad bishops.

Do you have evidence that he raped a young girl at a satanic mass

I pinged you to the thread with that evidence:

I first heard of Agnes’ story from a friend in 1996. This friend of mine had met Agnes a few years earlier when she came to him for advice. He never gave me her name or location but only made reference to her situation because it fit into a conversation we were having regarding the Archdiocese of Chicago. In 1998, when I first learned who Agnes was, I found that she had been on RCF’s mailing list for some time. I also learned that a private investigator, as well as a lawyer from Chicago who had provided RCF with information, had met with Agnes a few years earlier in an attempt to help her find a way to bear witness to what had happened to her. This same investigator and lawyer provided RCF with information they had obtained regarding the alleged sexual activity of the priest who had abused Agnes many years earlier. That priest was the young Joseph Bernardin.

Over the past 12 years, in sworn deposition, in accounts to investigators, in affidavits submitted in support of others' cases, in direct statements to Bernardin, in phone calls and letters to Church officials, and in correspondence with Vatican officials (all of which RCF has examined), Agnes has testified to the following story:

In the fall of 1957, in Greenville, S.C., Fr, Joseph Bernardin raped 11-year-old Agnes as part of a Satanic ritual that involved, among others, Bishop John Russell of Charleston. Brought to the event by an abusive father, Agnes “was able, at first, to resist Bishop Russell physically, out of the knowledge that God had made me good, not bad as I was being told I was” (her words). As a young child, she had been victimized by a “sadist” cousin, and her identity was based upon “resisting bad things”, which included Bernardin. Bernardin then showed kindness and approval of her resistance, in order to gain her trust and get her to relax, and then he raped her. He followed the rape with a perverted use of a host, in an attempt to make Agnes swallow the guilt of the event.

In the fall of 1992, Agnes passed a polygraph examination regarding these events. She also, in early 1990, told her story to Malachi Martin, who had been recommended to her as someone who could get her information to the Vatican, which Agnes knew had sole and immediate jurisdiction over such a case. Martin wrote a novel, Windswept House, with the premise that Agnes had given him: that the Catholic hierarchy's tolerance of heresy, liturgical abuse, clerical sexual misconduct, and clerical pedophilia had one overarching explanation at root, a network of Satanists whose smoke had ascended high in the Church. Her story is greatly theatricalized in the novel, but the essential fact of ritual rape is there, as is the spiritual reality of Christ's presence in the victimized child. Thirty-four years later, Agnes went to visit Bishop Russell in a nursing home. In and out of lucidity, he agreed to testify against Bernardin if asked. He died without the opportunity to do so.

Agnes later came to know Steve Cook, and submitted an affidavit in support of his suit. Before he died, Cook told Agnes he was writing a book to tell the truth about his abuse, and he gave a different account of his lawsuit retraction than the one publicly accepted.

Someone who knew Cook earlier than Agnes is a former seminarian RCF interviewed who admitted to a four-year sexual relationship with a Catholic bishop who now heads a western diocese. This man stated that he also had forced sexual contact with Cardinal Bernardin, and that, through Bernardin, he came to know Steven Cook. This individual, interviewed in November of 1998 by RCF, claims to have received a cash settlement. RCF confirmed, through an attorney, that this seminarian did indeed receive a cash settlement.

Do you have evidence that he ... was a homo, engaged in homosexulality, promoted homosexuality

Steven Cook, the man who sued Bernardin for homosexual abuse, and a man who couldn't rub two nickles together, left a large estate estimated in the range of a cool $3 million. The out-of-court settlement was sealed, but Cook's "apology" to Cardinal Bernardin and his statement that he couldn't depend on his memories was purchased by the diocese for a seven-digit payout.

Innocent men do not make out of court settlements with their accusers, nor pay the estate of their accuser $3 million.

If that's not proof enough for you, then you're just not rational.

Given your pontifications and attacks in these threads, the fact you're obviously not even Catholic and do not understand basic Catholic principles, and that evidence that would satisfy the vast majority of objective observers does not satisfy you, indicate either you are not rational or you have an agenda.

Either way, you are not worthy of further efforts to educate and correct your misconceptions and errors, willful or otherwise.

42 posted on 07/25/2012 6:36:14 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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