[polkajello]

Wrong. In Calvinism the elect are not saved until the Holy Spirit gives the gift of faith.

Misrepresentations of Calvinism forfeit popcorn rights.

[SoothingDave]

In Calvinism the elect are not saved until the Holy Spirit gives the gift of faith.

Uh huh. And this gift of faith is given to everyone? Or only the elect?

If only the elect, then the election comes first, which is just what D-fendr said. We are saved by everything that flows from the election.

[Mr Rogers]

“In Calvinism the elect are not saved until the Holy Spirit gives the gift of faith.”

In Calvinism, we are saved by grace thru election, since there can be no faith unless God gives it by election.

In the Gospel, we are saved by grace thru faith.

[D-fendr]

As SothingDave reiterated: No election, no faith, no salvation. Order matters.

Your position is like saying someone who was shot in the chest died because of heart failure. Yes, but if not for...