Michael Savage Is Wrong About The Bible

For Freedom – Galatians 5:1 ^ | April 18, 2012 | Michael D. Day

[WXRGina]

Excellent piece by Mr. Day!

[Sans-Culotte]

Bump

[WXRGina]

I didn’t even catch Mr. Day’s typo of “Trickle Down Poverty” in the first paragraph. We all know he means “Tyranny.”

[fishtank]

God did not allow King David to build His temple:

I Chronicles 28:2-3

Then King David rose to his feet and said, "Hear me, my brethren and my people: I [had] it in my heart to build a house of rest for the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and for the footstool of our God, and had made preparations to build it.

"But God said to me, 'You shall not build a house for My name, because you [have been] a man of war and have shed blood.'

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I agree with the author. I'm the FR founder of the Michael Savage daily thread, and I agree that Savage is very uninformed and incorrect about the difference between the Bible and the Koran.

The article says it well, but I wanted to mention King David, because when God refused to allow David to build the temple, God was showing that the Old Testament warfare, bloodshed and killing was SPECIFIC and LIMITED, it was not meant to be continual and ongoing.

[Thommas]

A thoroughly enjoyable explanation.

[skeeter]

I’m no biblical scholar, but since the Christian bible contains the five books making up the Torah, wouldn’t Mr Savage’s charge also apply to it, as well?

[Fiji Hill]

He is a great champion of traditional conservatism and a defender of America and freedom.

Oh, really? He supports California governor Jerry Brown, who is anything but a champion of traditional conservatism and a defender of America and freedom.

[jboot]

Not a bad reply, but verbose to the point of tedium. A handful of bullet points will suffice.

1. God is always a just Judge. His judgements are absolutely fair and exacting. His rewards and punishments are always fully deserved.

2. We humans may not see it that way, but we have no standing to judge God. If we read the OT and are horrified, the problem lies with us, not God.

3. In the OT, Israel (among other nations) acted as the instrument of God's judgement. Not one sin was committed by the Israelites carrying out God's commands, even when they slew women and children (see 1 and 2 above). Rather they sinned when they were disobedient and allowed the objects of judgement to live.

4. In the age since Christ, the Church acts as the instrument of God's grace. The church is not in the judgement business-yet. Yet the church is not without authority: what the church looses on earth will be loosed in heaven and what the church binds on earth will be bound in heaven.

[WXRGina]

Savage does not support Jerry Brown any longer, and he has repeatedly said so.

[stayathomemom]

We do NOT worship the same god! The way I see the distinction is this:
The 10 Commandments all boil down to the 1st: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Hence, the ultimate judgement is God's and his alone. His judgement is omniscient and perfect.
Islam says "There is no god but Allah and Mohamed is his profit." Hence, they are to follow the commands of Mohamed who used vengeance against the infidel. Allah is a small "god" and needs help. Those who judge in his name do an imperfect job.

[old school]

I think people are given to make broad generalizations when it proves to be less taxing than actually verifying what it is they say. I would think it very difficult to read the New Testament (in context) without having read the Old Testament. But, that’s just my opinion.

[JimWayne]

I think Michael Savage is right about the existence of the edicts in the OT. The author misses some of the verses in Deuteronomy which call for death to those who worship other gods. These verses were the reason for the Crusades and Inquisitions by the Catholics.

[JimWayne]

The origins of Christianity and Islam are from a common source and so they have similar gods, prophets and edicts. They were all invented in the Arab land. What differentiates the followers of the two religions is that the Christians were primarily from Europe and the Muslims were primarily from Arabia after the advent of Islam.

Let us not confuse the two cultures with the two religions. As far as the cultures go, the Arabs are still in the era of barbarism while the West has progressed. To pan Michael Savage for pointing out the similarities in the religious angle is incorrect. Savage is one of the more independent voices in the media.

[RobbyS]

“something like saying a number of Hail Mary’s and then you’re guilt-free.”. Or putting your finger on a randomly chosen Bible verse /s.

[RobbyS]

“something like saying a number of Hail Mary’s and then you’re guilt-free.”. Or putting your finger on a randomly chosen Bible verse /s.

[RobbyS]

Savage fails to point out that whereas Judaism and Christianity are progressive revelations, where God reveals himself in the travails of his Elect, Islam remains in the mode of Joshua, the prophet and general. Allah is a despot; Christ is a servant. Allah is merciful and compassionate, but only to those who submit. But he does not enter covenant with his people, he does not suffer for them. Christ is the first-born; he leads from the front and places himself in peril. Allah stands beyond the horizon.

[Carriage Hill]

Need your expertise on this thread Ping!

[grumpa]

While we essentially agree with the author, we would explain it differently. See our article:

http://www.faithfacts.org/world-religions-and-theology/christianity-vs.-islam

[JimWayne]

Your comparison is incorrect. Allah's counterpart is Yahweh who is an angry god. Again, let me point out that the nature of the two religions is similar and the nature of the followers is what differentiates the two. One had the European culture overlaid on it and the other has the Arab culture overlaid on it.

As the two religions share the same template (holy books, one god, prophets and war on heretics), I think it is important to ask the reasons for the similarities.

[fishtank]

You are hopelessly out of date on your info there.