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To: NYer; MomwithHope
No one has yet posted what I believe is at the root of anyone leaving - no longer believing in the Real Presence.

Jesus said it was so, what's not to believe?

For the anti Catholic, it is not about Jesus. It is about Paul. Remember we went through a series of lectures that Jesus was irrelevant - it is Paul to whom we must turn. The Gospels were to the Jews only. Jude was to the Jews. Peter was to the Jews. John was to the Jews. James (the epistle of straw) was definitely to the Jews only. The lecture continued to the effect that since the Jews rejected Jesus, anything that was said to them was completely separate from what the Gentiles were to believe.

I challenged several of the antiCatholics to count the times and amount of time that Paul went to the Jews, as opposed to their claims, based upon Scripture. There were two who confirmed my statements. They habitually debate honestly. The rest huffed and puffed and disappeared.

Their premise is wrong and therefore their conclusions are also wrong.

97 posted on 04/19/2012 5:18:51 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
I challenged several of the antiCatholics to count the times and amount of time that Paul went to the Jews, as opposed to their claims, based upon Scripture. There were two who confirmed my statements. They habitually debate honestly. The rest huffed and puffed and disappeared.

Their premise is wrong and therefore their conclusions are also wrong.

What premise and what conclusion? Paul himself states many times in Scripture that he was the apostle to the Gentiles, supported by the very words of Jesus.

It's been demonstrated more than once out of Scripture itself that it is true. Continued denial of the truth found in God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired Scripture can only be an indication of a depth of deception that is staggering.

If Jesus' own words aren't good enough for you, I don't know where you go next.

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to him (Ananias), “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel. 16 For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name.”

Acts 22:21 And he said to me, ‘Go, for I will send you far away to the Gentiles.’”

Acts 23:10-11 10 And when the dissension became violent, the tribune, afraid that Paul would be torn to pieces by them, commanded the soldiers to go down and take him away from among them by force and bring him into the barracks. 11 The following night the Lord stood by him and said, “Take courage, for as you have testified to the facts about me in Jerusalem, so you must testify also in Rome.”

Acts 26:13-18 13 At midday, O king, I saw on the way a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, that shone around me and those who journeyed with me. 14 And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew language, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’

15 And I said, ‘Who are you, Lord?’ And the Lord said, ‘I am Jesus whom you are persecuting. 16 But rise and stand upon your feet, for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to appoint you as a servant and witness to the things in which you have seen me and to those in which I will appear to you, 17 delivering you from your people and from the Gentiles— to whom I am sending you 18 to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’

Now, who do I believe? Jesus? Or the Catholic church? Or someone else who puts themselves forth as an authority when it's clear they don't know Scripture?

106 posted on 04/19/2012 5:49:58 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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