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Posted on 04/16/2012 4:21:51 PM PDT by Salvation
I agree: Just as the body is dead without breath, so also faith is dead without good works. James 2:26
I think it should be pretty obvious that the author is NOT a "Biblical scholar". If he was, he would know that the "Apocryphal" books would NEVER have been included in the temple collections of the Torah, the Psalms and Proverbs and the Prophets - major and minor - the Jewish canon. The Jewish religious leaders in Jesus' day would NOT have made reading any of these extra books part of the Sabbath observance. So, no, Jesus would not have read from them on another day.
You post about this topic many times, Salvation, so you may have saved this one "for a long time" but it certainly isn't the first time you have posted Protestant-baiting and provoking threads. Seems like for "education's sake" we may need to have more than one viewpoint. I agree with the poster up thread who remarked that you should be more concerned with reaching the lost for Christ than sparring with non-Catholics. Roman Catholic threads dominate the Religion Forum every day so I guess you think that's what you're doing. I still wonder why most of these Catholic/Protestant "battles" start from threads of articles posted over and over again. We'll not shy away from a good argument when our faith is slammed. You should know that by now. I pinged a few others who feel the same.
Some have thought, that Paul and James were not in agreement on the subject of faith. Those who thus conclude mistake both these inspired men of God. Paul shows that works without faith will not justify, and hence lays the emphasis on faith; James shows that faith without works will not justify. Paul, indeed, shows that faith alone is worthless (1Cor 13:2), and in Heb 11:1-40, he emphasizes works as the demonstration of faith. The two writers are in agreement, and all seeming disagreement is due to the fact that they are seeking to correct different errors, and hence look at the matter from different points of view.
Okay, she DID say the Bible was given to us as our guide from God, so how do you turn that into accusing her of saying you can go out "and commit adultery, kill your children, cheat on your income taxes, speed on the highway, have an abortion.....and all you need is the bible"? If we didn't HAVE the Holy Scriptures, we wouldn't even KNOW we were sinners:
Galatians 3:19-29
Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.
Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian (schoolmaster) until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Romans 3:19-26
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Any person who has received Jesus Christ, believed on Him to save them, is born again by the grace of God and the Holy Spirit indwells them as teacher and guide. HE opens the Scriptures to our hearts and that makes the Bible our guide because it is Divinely-inspired and infallible. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. (Luke 21:33)
I thought this article was about using and loving the Bible Salvation. If it is, why do you not use the whole thing?
“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29
Interesting. That’s why I’m not a Catholic - because I love the bible.
I had sort of decided to allow this thread to die a natural death. Everyone knows the RCC does not have scripture as its central authority.
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Yet it is the Catholic Church who gave to the world the Bible as we know of it.
-—the RCC does not have scripture as its central authority.——
SOLE authority. That’s Luther’s tradition. It’s not even in the Bible.
What did Jesus say?
“If he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.”
Not churches, THE church. Singular.
Fish not biting today? Where is your orbiter smvoice?
-—Yet it is the Catholic Church who gave to the world the Bible as we know of it.-—
If the Church is an unreliable teaching authority, then the Bible itself would have to be unreliable. Protestantism saws off the branch it’s standing on.
If the Church once taught without error, but now does, then the gates of hell would have prevailed against Christ’s Church. His Church would be void.
That is one of the factors why I just do not understand why some Protestants self-interpit the Holy Bible.
And God allowed Satan to be used to show the faithfulness of Job. He also used the heathens to punish the Israelites. The Romans crucified Jesus which brought our salvation. Just because God uses some group or people doesn’t make them right with God.
Love of God compels us to love all that reflects God: the Saints whom He inspired, and the books He inspired them to write.
I agree that the less translationg, the better. The modern Protestant translations are particularly awful.
Naturally, where Christ is not present at the altar the preacher gets all the attention to himself.
Nor are we Jews.
our faith is slammed
It deserves to.
You forgot to include more of that passage.
Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
The “church” in that instance was the local group of believers, not a central overall ruling organization.
>>Not churches, THE church. Singular.<<
You mean like the “church” at Corinth? Or like the “church” at Ephesus. Or maybe the “church” in Smyrna? How about the “church” in Sardis or the “church” of the of the Laodiceans?
Interesting how they were not included in some overarching ruling hierarchy like the RCC isn’t it?
Looks like you took the bait however.
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