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To: Belteshazzar
Great. I’m glad to see someone got this right after Christians have had it wrong for 2000 years. I am glad in the same way I am that Charles Taze Russell got it right that Jesus died on a “torture stake” rather than a cross as so many stupid Christians believed for all that time, and that also Joseph Smith was told by no less than Kolob-dwelling “Heavenly Father” and Lucifer’s brother Jesus that all the other denominations got it wrong, and that there was need for “another Testament of Jesus Christ.” Really, what did all those other benighted people do for all those years. Sheesh!

So that means you have an answer for what shepherds were doing outside in the fields at night, with their flocks of sheep, at the end of December, in winter?

21 posted on 04/08/2012 7:26:17 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

>> So that means you have an answer for what shepherds were doing outside in the fields at night, with their flocks of sheep, at the end of December, in winter? <<

I do. It’s called the Roman Warm Period.


23 posted on 04/08/2012 7:49:04 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Talisker

>> So that means you have an answer for what shepherds were doing outside in the fields at night, with their flocks of sheep, at the end of December, in winter? <<

I do. It’s called the Roman Warm Period.

Look, the date of Christmas was inferred, but on a pretty decent basis, not the pagan In Sol Invictus, created centuries after Christmas to superecede it, and not Saturnalia, which simply wasn’t related and not at the same time.

The Book of Maccabees stated that God dwelt in his Temple again after the Feast of the Dedication, which was on the 25th of the month closest to December (albeit admittedly, tending to be a few days early.) Jesus identified himself with the Temple, so selecting the Feast of the Dedication to celebrate his birthday seems sound.

Also, however, there was an ancient tradition that great prophets were conceived into the afterlife on the day they were conceived into the world. Thus, since Jesus died on March 25th, according to tradition, that day is celebrated as the Feast of the Annunciation, celebrating his conception. Doubtlessly, then, the ancients counted forward nine months to December 25th.

Neither of these prove a birthdate of December 25th; they merely demonstrate that it was a reasonable supposition. The ancients who made that supposition would well have been familiar if weather issues argued against the plausibility.


24 posted on 04/08/2012 8:08:57 PM PDT by dangus
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Talisker replied:
“So that means you have an answer for what shepherds were doing outside in the fields at night, with their flocks of sheep, at the end of December, in winter?”

First, am I required to?

Second, was there a curfew for shepherds in December? Sheep too?


25 posted on 04/08/2012 8:14:51 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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