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Cardinal Tauran Laments ‘Right-Wing’ Ignorance of Islam
Catholic Culture ^ | 3/20/12

Posted on 03/20/2012 7:02:33 AM PDT by marshmallow

Speaking with Al Jazeera, the president of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue lamented mutual ignorance between Christians and Muslims.

“We succeeded in avoiding the clash of civilizations; let us avoid a clash of ignorance,” said Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran. In Europe, he stated, “there is a fear of Islam, but it is due to ignorance.”

“If you speak to right-wing groups, you realize that they have never opened a Qur’an and never met a Muslim.,” he continued. “There needs to be a big effort to educate, to inform them … because most of the problems are coming from misinterpretation or ignorance.”

Cardinal Tauran also criticized the attitudes of some Muslims towards Christians.

Cardinal Tauran to Al Jazeera:"avoid a 'clash of ignorance'" (Vatican Radio)

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I think you've got it bass-ackwards, your Eminence.

Fear of Islam is due to becoming more familiar with its teachings and its violent, expansionist history.

Ambivalence or even affection towards Islam are due to ignorance.

1 posted on 03/20/2012 7:02:37 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

First guy to take a spear!


2 posted on 03/20/2012 7:03:31 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: marshmallow

Cardinal Tauran...we in the United States of America learned all we EVER needed to know about Islam on September 11th, 2001.


3 posted on 03/20/2012 7:06:00 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: marshmallow

I learned everything there is to know about the infantile death-cult called islam on 9/11/01. It needs to be destroyed like small pox needs to be destroyed. As long as the child-molesting homicidal drunken maniac muhammad has one adherent on this earth, that’s one too many.

Lower-case letters for all islamic references intentional


4 posted on 03/20/2012 7:08:42 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: marshmallow

Christians Laugh at Cardinal Tauran`s Ignorance of Islam

Muslim mob burns, ransacks churches in Indonesia
(AFP) – Feb 7, 2011

TEMANGGUNG, Indonesia — A Muslim mob burned churches and clashed with police in Indonesia on Tuesday as they demanded the death penalty for a Christian man convicted of blaspheming against Islam, police said.


5 posted on 03/20/2012 7:09:32 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Ignorance is a Cardinal sin?- ?? Who knew?)
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To: hoagy62

—Cardinal Tauran...we in the United States of America learned all we EVER needed to know about Islam on September 11th, 2001.—

Actually, it got me to read the Koran. The fact is, my hatred of Islam is not due to ignorance, which is what I had before 9/11. I just saw it as another religion I didn’t adhere to. After reading the Koran and the history of that religion, I understand. It is because of KNOWLEDGE of Islam that I hate it.

And its most impacted victims are the muslims themselves. It is also a political system with a thin coating of religion, which protects it in the US in a way the German American Bund before WWII could only dream of.


6 posted on 03/20/2012 7:14:39 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: marshmallow
let us avoid a clash of ignorance.

Educate yourself.

The Koran:

Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Sura (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Sura (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Sura (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

Sura (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Sura (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Sura (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Sura (47:4) - "So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make them prisoners,"

Sura (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"

Sura (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end

From the Hadith:

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’”

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Ibn Ishaq: 992 - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

The Koran and hadiths are replete with examples of Muhammad's barbaric behavior. Robert Spencer does a good job here explaining Islam - Blogging the Qur’an Start at the bottom.

7 posted on 03/20/2012 7:14:55 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: marshmallow

Ignorance and fear of Muslims???
Hmmm,I guess the Cardinal has been speaking to the Christians’in Egypt,Sudan,Nigeria,Indonesia.....


8 posted on 03/20/2012 7:15:23 AM PDT by peteyd (A dog may bite you in the ass,but it will never stab you in the back.)
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To: marshmallow

Why isn’t this apostate excommunicated?

Let him show his true colors and join his mohammedan brethren.


9 posted on 03/20/2012 7:15:27 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: marshmallow

What an embarrassment....


10 posted on 03/20/2012 7:15:32 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: marshmallow

I’m Roman Catholic, but I find it very disturbing that a high-ranking Cardinal at the Vatican finds it necessary to even deploy the term “right-wing”, let alone singling us out as unread ignoramuses.

I am not at all happy with this.


11 posted on 03/20/2012 7:18:10 AM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: marshmallow

Remember when conservatives condemned the Crusades?


12 posted on 03/20/2012 7:19:06 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: marshmallow
From the “maybe they'll kill me last” mindset.

This mentality is on par with telling the French that they don't understand how to speak their own language, and that French words really do end in hard consonants.

Christian converts are being being put to death every day in Muslim lands with the blessing of Islamic leaders and Islamic states. To state that this is somehow not what they believe is asinine.

13 posted on 03/20/2012 7:19:58 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: marshmallow

“There needs to be a big effort to educate, to inform them

Cardinal: Verily I say unto you: your thesies is feces.


14 posted on 03/20/2012 7:20:32 AM PDT by Adder (Da bro has GOT to go!)
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To: marshmallow

Stuff it in your rear, cardinal.


15 posted on 03/20/2012 7:22:44 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: marshmallow

Ignorance of Islam appears to be a Cardinal sin.


16 posted on 03/20/2012 7:27:52 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: marshmallow

Hopefully there are others in the west is getting as tired of this kind of limp, corrupt moralizing as I am.


17 posted on 03/20/2012 7:27:59 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: marshmallow

The good cardinal should be asked if he knows The Song of Roland and why there is such a tribute to Roland.


18 posted on 03/20/2012 7:29:51 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: marshmallow
I believe His Eminence, the Cardinal, should be given the opportunity to prove his point and demonstrate his faith in his Muslim brothers and be sent to Saudi Arabia to open the first Vatican mission there and oversee construction of a Roman Catholic cathedral in Mecca. After all, if he is correct in his assertions what could possibly go wrong?

Oh by the way, Your Eminence, some of us 'Right-Wing' folks (yours truly included) have quite a lot of personal and business experience and education in the region, understand better than you the nature and history of the Islamic faith, know quite a few Muslims even on occasion sharing meals in their homes (in my case in places like Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq) and have indeed opened and read the Quran. The most recent time I heard the song of the muezzin waft over a Muslim city at dawn was this past January. So with all due respect, Your Eminence, stick it.

19 posted on 03/20/2012 7:32:18 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: EyeGuy
I’m Roman Catholic, but I find it very disturbing that a high-ranking Cardinal at the Vatican finds it necessary to even deploy the term “right-wing”, let alone singling us out as unread ignoramuses. I am not at all happy with this.

Then by all means, his eminence should educate us instead of insulting us.

. Though in truth, I suspect the same forces that can understand the subtleties and nuances of "natural family planning" as opposed to birth control, but can't resolve the clear moral superiority of "markets" over "planning" are at work here.

20 posted on 03/20/2012 7:33:54 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

He’ll be the first one beheaded when Al Qaeda shows up in St. Peter’s square headed for the Vatican Museum.


21 posted on 03/20/2012 7:36:29 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: marshmallow

Unfortunately, the Vatican bureaucracy always seems to be full of such types: People who endorse left-wing social engineering and Gaia-worship, people who (disastrously) allowed the growth of a homosexual culture at some seminaries, and bubbleheads regarding Islam like this person.

I guarantee I’ve read more of the Koran than this person.


22 posted on 03/20/2012 7:36:34 AM PDT by denydenydeny (The more a system is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
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To: Adder
“There needs to be a big effort to educate, to inform them

THAT is one lesson I would LOVE to hear!

23 posted on 03/20/2012 7:40:07 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: marshmallow
If you speak to right-wing groups, you realize that they have never opened a Qur’an and never met a Muslim.,” he continued. “There needs to be a big effort to educate, to inform them … because most of the problems are coming from misinterpretation or ignorance.”

The military primarily leans....? Oh yeah, to the right. We've been fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for 10 years now.

The primary religon in those countries is....? Oh yeah, Islam. That would make those people.....? Oh yeah....muslim.

Cardinal Tauran - you are a Grade-A dips4#t and messenger of Satan.

24 posted on 03/20/2012 7:41:02 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: FatherofFive

I am posting this comment from an ignorant position and would like some clarification if possible. One of the reasons I am asking is, I belong to a rather large fraternity of men who support and maintain a very important and loving activity for children. The Quaran is part of the ceremony along with the Bible and Torah. My question is, in your interpretation of the Quaran and also the same applies to other interpretations that I have seen, all the words are translated to English except Allah. Isn’t that a reference to God?? Or is it only their God who is Muslim only? I appreciated your posting and brings my thoughts to mind.


25 posted on 03/20/2012 7:41:22 AM PDT by bramps (Newt is the one)
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To: marshmallow
Mummm, now are we not the group to send forces in the Crusades to the middle east who raped, murdered, and killed Jews and Arabs? Now wanting all religions to come together as one religion. One World Religion with them as head. Come home to mama. Sorry, not me.
26 posted on 03/20/2012 7:41:29 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (God is watching America. He is judging America. He does not like what He is seeing.)
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To: Repeat Offender

Hey, cardinal, tell this to the Christians tormented or killed every day by your beloved moozlums. cardinal...you are a dhimmi fool.


27 posted on 03/20/2012 7:43:55 AM PDT by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: morphing libertarian

Not a chance. They would never behead a convert that formally held such a high office as a Christian.....


28 posted on 03/20/2012 7:44:20 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: marshmallow; flaglady47; oswegodeee; ExTexasRedhead; mickie
The Cardinal pontificates: "If you speak to right-wing groups, you realize they have never opened a Koran and never met a Muslim, blah, blah, blah....."

From asssessing the IQs of left-wingers on TV and whom I have met, I can safely say that most left-wingers have never opened a Koran nor have never met a Muslim, either.

According to the good Cardinal, the neanderthals in the left-wing groups like Acorn, the Wall Street Occupiers, the union-thugs leaders, the perpetual welfare class, the nitwit academics, the professional pundit poobahs and the Obama cultists are the true intelligencia that "gets it" about Islam...... while those on the Right are bigoted know-nothings who are not as sophisticated and informed as the Left.

This Prince of the Church needs some serious prayers as he seems to morph into a frog at times.

Leni

29 posted on 03/20/2012 7:44:31 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: papertyger

Vatican Ayatollah


30 posted on 03/20/2012 7:46:50 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: marshmallow

I have a question for the Cardinal.

Were Muhammad’s visions, that led to the koran, miracles certified by the Church?

If not why not? (There are only a few options, such as - they were not supernatural, or they were supernatural, but not from God, or his angels and saints.)

None of the choices bode well for Islam being a true religion based on the Jewish and Christian God.


31 posted on 03/20/2012 7:48:07 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: marshmallow

Vatican 2 teaches heresy about Islam.

"(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohammedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. - >> From Vatican 2 document "Lumen Gentium""

32 posted on 03/20/2012 8:00:59 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: marshmallow
We succeeded in avoiding the clash of civilizations

Uh huh. Anyone got a picture of the Trade Center at about 10 am on 9/11/01?

33 posted on 03/20/2012 8:04:01 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Doc Savage

Frag him.

He’s luke-warm anyway.


34 posted on 03/20/2012 8:06:10 AM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: marshmallow

Man this douche bag should only be allowed to speak in a vomitorium.

His ignorance of REAL WORLD mudslimes is galactic.

World governments have allowed this cancer on humanity to spread like a pandemic. Eventually it will come down to ordinary citizens doing what government should have done. Mosques need to be treated like WMD factories.

You do not let rabid dogs reproduce and these 6th century sand monkeys with delusions of getting oral sex from dromedary lips, are much worse than rabid dogs.


35 posted on 03/20/2012 8:06:26 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: marshmallow

Cardinal Tauran has nothing to worry about — here in America we give these murderous cultists full constitutional protection.


36 posted on 03/20/2012 8:14:08 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: marshmallow

Methinks this Cardinal could use a long Fireside Chat with Rep. Allen West.


37 posted on 03/20/2012 8:18:53 AM PDT by houeto (Mitt Romney - A Whiter Shade of FAIL)
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To: Wurlitzer

The Joe Biden of the Vatican.


38 posted on 03/20/2012 8:20:21 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: Wurlitzer

The Joe Biden of the Vatican.


39 posted on 03/20/2012 8:20:21 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: fishtank

“....the Mohammedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God....”

.
Hmmm, the Blessed Trinity is now equated with allah?

And Jesus is merely another prophet but inferior to Mohammed?


40 posted on 03/20/2012 8:22:17 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: marshmallow

Oh yeah. The late Catholic Church.


41 posted on 03/20/2012 8:22:17 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

http://web.gbtv.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=20177695


42 posted on 03/20/2012 8:28:04 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: marshmallow
"Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue"

PCID

It's right there in front of your eyes.

43 posted on 03/20/2012 8:28:24 AM PDT by Joe the Pimpernel (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to slaughter anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: bramps
all the words are translated to English except Allah. Isn’t that a reference to God?? Or is it only their God who is Muslim only?

The God of Abraham is the God of the Jew and the God of Christians. Islam claims this is also their god, but there are numerous differences. Islam sees Jesus as a Prophet, not part of the Triune God.

So if I'm reading your question correctly, yes, the God of Abraham is the same God to the Jew, the Islamist, and the Christian.

I seriously you suggest you read the Robert Spencer blogsite I referenced. I would ask your Islamist friends about the verses I cited.

I would also ask them about the following:

Here’s an interesting contrast between the peaceful Islam and the hateful Christianity:

The example of Mohamed on adultery Sahih Muslim, Book 17: 4206

There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Ghamid and said: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me. He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said: Allah's Messenger, Why do you turn me away? Perhaps, you turn me away as you turned away Ma'iz. By Allah, I have become pregnant. He said: Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth to (the child). When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag and said: Here is the child whom I have given birth to. He said: Go away and suckle him until you wean him. When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said: Allah's Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food. He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her.Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) heard his (Khalid's) curse that he had huried upon her. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Khalid, be gentle. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, she has made such a repentance that even if a wrongful tax-collector were to repent, he would have been forgiven. Then giving command regarding her, he prayed over her and she was buried.

And now contrast Islam with the hateful Christianity:

The example of Jesus on adultery (John 8:1-11)

But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them. The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. "Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?" They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?" She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more."

44 posted on 03/20/2012 8:47:46 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: marshmallow

“you realize that they have never opened a Qur’an and never met a Muslim.,” “

He is the one speaking from ignorance. We’ve met the mooselimbs and we’ve read the child-molesting, murdering, pedophile’s bat-cave writings from Mad Mo. We KNOW what lunatics they are.


45 posted on 03/20/2012 8:54:47 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

“Ignorance of Islam appears to be a Cardinal sin.”

Nice!


46 posted on 03/20/2012 8:55:54 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: FatherofFive

bkmk


47 posted on 03/20/2012 9:00:29 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: EyeGuy
I’m Roman Catholic, but I find it very disturbing that a high-ranking Cardinal at the Vatican finds it necessary to even deploy the term “right-wing”, let alone singling us out as unread ignoramuses.

I believe it would be wise to fear this Cardinal...And how many other Cardinals are riding in the same saddle???

48 posted on 03/20/2012 9:09:47 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: FatherofFive
Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Ibn Ishaq: 992 - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

Just three of many examples of the religion of peace.

I studied the koran and islam for a year {at a Catholic Prep School an alternative religion was a requirement}, and it is more a political way of life with religion thrown in as the guiding hand.

It was patterned after the Judeo-Christan teachings and this, I believe, is one reason they hate both the Jews and the Christians.

At some points in history, mooselimbs had culture and power and knowledge but having gone backwards, they are very hateful and are trying to reverse history.

My tag line is the only cure for this gutter religion, all of them, there are no moderate mooselimbs.

49 posted on 03/20/2012 9:09:49 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: marshmallow; fishtank; Iscool
His Eminence need only ask a fellow Catholic (a Melkite Catholic cleric, to be specific) about the true nature of Islam. He also happens to be Robert Spencer. If doesn't go that route, he only needs to talk to some lay folk from Nigeria, the Middle East, or the Philippines, not all of whom are "right wing."

Do Catholics and Muslims Worship the Same God?

PS - My Dad and his siblings are Catholics from the southern Philippines. Their political views vary, but they all agree that they don't like Islam.

50 posted on 03/20/2012 9:25:35 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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