Posted on 03/03/2012 12:03:05 PM PST by NYer
For the most part, this article accurately describes the erstwhile ‘docile’ GOP Republican and/or average conservative American - honest, hardworking - law abiding.
I used to consider myself in that group. I do not any more.
I don’t consider misapplied enforcement, capricious regulation, biased adjudication, illegal confiscation, fascist dictates and socialist agendas as consistent with the Constitution of this country. These people are not Americans and they should be treated as an enemy.
I agree. The Marxists in Russia may have been able to convince people that freezing and starving in the dark was a small step toward the Workers' Paradise, but it's not going to work here. Our Marxists rely on being able to deliver ever-increasing piles of goodies to their constituency, but the well of Other People's Money is nearly exhausted.
I think Fr. Dwight is feeling the effects of his Lenten fasting - if your blood-sugar gets low, you're prone to negativity.
You need to consider that the pope is a servant to the universal church. This is an American problem and for that, we have local bishops to address the problem. Some of those bishops are also members of the College of Cardinals; hence, they bear a greater responsibility to speak on behalf of the Catholic Church in America.
However, to your credit, I can't help but think of the recent situation in Spain. Following terrorist bombings in Madrid and other cities, the citizens of Spain elected a Socialist government. Like Obama's administration, it proved to be oppressive, especially against the Catholic Church. Subsequently, the pope made two visits to Spain, the most recent one being last August, to attend World Youth Day. Those two visits proved to be sufficient to 'wake up' the sleeping catholics who then voted out the socialists in the most recent election. Let us pray that the American catholics can rise up this year and follow the example of their Spanish counterparts.
Better to lose one's tax exempt status than lose one's soul.
Matthew 16:26
And the situation in Poland was a Polish problem. If things go south here, as it looks like they might, it will be a dark time for the entire Western World.
Ms. Fluke (rhymes with f**k, I'm told.) is just the tip of the iceberg.
ML/NJ
Indeed, the process began more than 40 years ago. 1968 was the pivotal year: the year of unrest in Europe and America, the year of Humanae Vitae, when a pope donned the robe of prophet and was ignored. Anyway, back in December, 1965, as the Council was ending, Jacques Maritain had published his own prophecy. In his Peasant of Garonne, the erstwhile darling of the liberals spoke of genuflecting to the World. That is what so-many Catholics has been doing ever since the Council. Bending the knee to his infernal lowness.
Your post made me wonder about a visit from the pope here sometime near November?
Thanks for posting this article. It all seems very plausible. The American Catholic Church, which used to be just a term, will become a reality. The constitution is already out the window. If the SCOTUS upholds Obamacare it all falls into place.
Right, Henry?
"They've been asleep for nearly 50 years ... any thoughts on how to wake them up? No doubt the bishops would be interested. "
Sorry for the tardy response. No, I don't have any magic formula, I just know from personal experience that when you or your leader say, "follow me", rather than "go do it", amazing things happen even when there's a good chance those who follow you will be killed for following you. People want to stand up and the Bishops have rolled over for far too long. Maybe it's just blind faith on my part that leads me to have a hunch about this being a turning point. Maybe not.
That should have been “they had no issue”...
You make a good point; different group of Catholics who are opposing the BC issue then the abortion issue.
My sis in law is an extremely devout Catholic, goes to Shrines, prays to the Saints, active in the Church, etc. Yet she voted for Obama. She said Presidents go to war, that is a form of murder, then there is capital punishment (she doesn’t believe in it)...I know, but this is how some Catholics justify voting for Obama, even though they are devout Catholics.
There’ll be hell to pay (Cardinal Dolan’s Pill pledge to Obama)
Lol! I agree.
I really dig what this guys has to say most of the time, kinda disagree with some of this, though. I agreee that it probably won’t go to shooting.
“Clergy training will be paid by the state.”
Can’t see it happening. I can see the state punishing a church legally, by fines and withholding things like “state marriage” from them. No way they pay for any training where they don’t dictate what is taught. They know Marx better than that. They could introduce fines for “hate speech” upon seminarian programs.
“The State will bring in a sensible recognition of the validity of orders between the Christian churches. For practical reasons the Episcopalian priest or the Lutheran minister will be able to exchange ministries with the Catholic priest just as the Episcopalians and Lutherans already do.”
Won’t happen, if for no other reason than the Catholic bishops would never give up or share any authority with another Christian group that doesn’t have apostolic succession. Also, when has the state ever ushered in any type of ecumenical process? Why would they bother when the only churches that would go along are for the lib agenda already?
The only way that could work is with nonCatholic denominations that don’t care about their own authority: some of the mainline Protestant ones. No way do other types of nonCatholic Christians go for it, and no way does even a super liberal crop of Catholic bishops go for it unless they are completely in charge. The Catholic Church does not vote on matters of discipline and doctrine, the mainline Protestant Churches do. The state would never swell the ranks of an organization that doesn’t determine what is wrong and right based on what the majority of members think about it, as far as I can see.
Freegards, thanks for all the pings on FR
I was crying over something totally idiotic a couple of days ago, because I hadn’t had anything but coffee and spinach all day. Once I had a wheat bun, I felt much better! We can get flaked out this time of year without realizing it.
I see Barry as being envious of what Mexico did in the twenties when it Constitutionally subordinated all religion to the State.
He knows he can't really change the Constitution, but he also knows he can throw out one regulation that causes a big legal battle, wait until that inhibits Churches for a few years and is struck down, then toss out another regulation that has to be fought through the courts and inhibit Churches for another few years.
That's the the sort of thing environmentalists have done for decades to have their way for year after year in spite of "their way" being unconstitutional or illegal.
Your sister-inlaw is mentally ill. Her blind-spotting is an extreme form of denial and compartmentalization. Worse yet is using that as a justification for an evil act (voting for Obama). Yeah, I’m no paragon of mental health myself but it tends to make me more moral, not less.
The word is "reap" (meaning to harvest), not "weep".
Sad thing is millions of Catholics voted for Obama
And millions, like me, didn't. I would cut my hand off with a rusty knife before I would vote for the Boy Prince for dogcatcher, to say nothing of President.
Instead of pointing and scoffing at Catholics who are misled (and many of whom are just plain CINOs), why don't you get on board with supporting those of us who are standing up for what's right?
I believe this is part of the reason that home churches have been growing lately...along with home school.
I am afraid that will be what will really happen, shooting revolution.
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