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Renegade nun presents ‘A Catholic case for same-sex marriage’
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/renegade-nun-priest-present-a-catholic-case-for-same-sex-marriage ^ | 2/15/2012 | Ben Johnson

Posted on 02/15/2012 7:43:45 PM PST by Morgana

MOUNT RAINIER, MARYLAND, February 15, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) – On Valentine’s Day, a priest and a nun penned an op-ed in The Washington Post entitled, “A Catholic Case for Same-Sex Marriage.”

Sister Jeannine Gramick and Francis DeBernardo of New Ways Ministry in Mt. Rainier, Maryland, wrote, “Many Catholics…understand that lesbian and gay love is as natural as heterosexual love.”

“As Catholics who are involved in lesbian and gay ministry and outreach, we are aware that many people, some of them Catholics, believe that Catholics cannot faithfully disobey the public policies of the church’s hierarchy. But this is not the case,” they wrote. “Like Govs. Andrew Cuomo in New York and Pat Quinn in Illinois…Govs. Martin O’Malley and Christine Gregoire are acting against the strongly expressed opposition of their church’s bishops.”

They argued the acceptance by many Roman Catholics of the homosexual lifestyle should be considered on par with the teachings of the Church. “The Catholic Church is not a democracy, but neither is it a dictatorship. Ideally, our bishops should strive to proclaim the sensus fidelium, the faith as it is understood by the whole church.”

After stating that Scripture and Church tradition offer “little firm reason to oppose marriage” between members of the same sex, they added, “millions of Catholics are arriving at different conclusions rooted deeply in the teachings of our faith…We support marriage equality, and we won’t forget the Catholic legislators and governors who have worked on behalf of justice for lesbian and gay couples.”

Proponents of traditional marriage say even the title of the article is incorrect.

“It’s just their case,” said Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse, president and founder of The Ruth Institute, a project of the National Organization for Marriage. “There’s nothing Catholic about what they’re saying at all,” she told LifeSiteNews.com.

“Sister Jeannine Gramick has been at odds with the Magisterium of the Church for decades,” Marcus Plieninger, Director of Policy Studies at the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, told LifeSiteNews.com. “In her latest article, she pits the Catholic hierarchy’s authoritative defense of Church doctrine regarding marriage against millions of Catholics, who she claims feel otherwise, including two Catholic governors advocating for the legalization of homosexual marriage…Church teaching is defined not by polls, not by popular opinion, not by politicians, not by the ideological winds of ‘social justice,’ not even by Sister, herself, but by what the Church, in fact, teaches.”

Dr. Morse, who testified in Olympia against Washington state’s same-sex marriage bill, said such a change would carry drastic consequences for the family and for society as a whole. “The natural reality of mother and father is being defined out of existence and being replaced with something that is a legal and social construct.”

Marriage, motherhood, and fatherhood “are natural realities…that predate any government,” Dr. Morse told LifeSiteNews. “The Church stands for that natural reality against the State attempting to redefine it for its own purposes and for the benefits of a special interest group.”

“Something like redefined marriage can’t sustain itself without a lot of coddling from the State,” she said. “The State will have to enforce that view everyplace that the Church interacts with society, so the thing we’re seeing with the insurance mandate is going to get played out on the marriage side, as well. All of this expansion of the State is being done to accommodate the growth of so-called sexual freedom.”

Sr. Gramick’s authorship contradicted a 1999 order by the Congregation for the Defense of the Faith that she not address the issue of homosexuality, because her teachings were “doctrinally unacceptable.”

Dr. Morse called the authors “the usual suspects, who have never accepted Church teachings on any sexual, moral issues.”

Sr. Gramick’s controversial history of defiance was celebrated in the film In Good Conscience: Sister Jeannine’s Journey of Faith, shot by Albert Maysles and conceived by Barbara Ricks, who is described as “a lapsed Catholic.”

Sr. Gramic and Fr. Robert Nugent founded New Ways Ministry – which describes itself as “a gay-positive ministry of advocacy and justice for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) Catholics, and reconciliation within the larger Christian and civil communities” – in Mount Rainier, Maryland, in 1977.

In 1984, Archbishop of Washington James Hickey refused to grant approval of its activities; Sr. Gramick and Fr. Nugent were ordered to resign their leadership positions and end their participation in any of its activities. They resigned but continued teaching and writing on behalf of the organization.

Ultimately, Rome itself weighed in. Fifteen years later the Congregation for the Defense of the Faith issued a statement that “the positions advanced by Sister Jeannine Gramick and Father Robert Nugent regarding the intrinsic evil of homosexual acts and the objective disorder of the homosexual inclination are doctrinally unacceptable.”

“[T]the promotion of errors and ambiguities is not consistent with a Christian attitude of true respect and compassion: persons who are struggling with homosexuality no less than any others have the right to receive the authentic teaching of the Church from those who minister to them. The ambiguities and errors of the approach of Father Nugent and Sister Gramick have caused confusion among the Catholic people and have harmed the community of the Church. For these reasons, Sister Jeannine Gramick, SSND, and Father Robert Nugent, SDS, are permanently prohibited from any pastoral work involving homosexual persons and are ineligible, for an undetermined period, for any office in their respective religious institutes.”

The statement was approved by Pope John Paul II and signed by then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI..

While Fr. Nugent observed the order, Sr. Gramick has been defiant, replying, “I choose not to collaborate in my own oppression.” Two years later, after spending 20 years with the School Sisters of Notre Dame, Sr. Gramick transferred to the Sisters of Loretto, who “support her in her ministry of education and advocacy on behalf of lesbian and gay people.”

The contentions over her writings, however, have not died down.

In 2010, acting as president of the U.S Council of Catholic Bishops, Francis Cardinal George said, “No one should be misled by the claim that New Ways Ministry provides an authentic interpretation of Catholic teaching and an authentic Catholic pastoral practice.”

“Like other groups that claim to be Catholic but deny central aspects of church teaching, New Ways Ministry has no approval or recognition from the Catholic Church and…cannot speak on behalf of the Catholic faithful in the United States,” he said.

Again last March – in response to New Ways’ booklet Marriage Equality: A Positive Catholic Approach by Francis DeBernardo – Cardinal Donald Wuerl and Bishop Salvatore Cordileoneas, the respective chairmen of the USCCB Committee on Doctrine and the Ad Hoc Committee for the Defense of Marriage, issued a statement reaffirming “in no manner is the position proposed by New Ways Ministry in conformity with Catholic teaching and in no manner is this organization authorized to speak on behalf of the Catholic Church or to identify itself as a Catholic organization.”

Sr. Gramick remains confident she will be vindicated by an increasingly liberal laity. She told the National Catholic Reporter that “thinking, studying, praying, in order to come to a decision which may or not be what a moral authority teaches” is “a positive thing. It’s obedience to the Spirit.”

Gramick has claimed at least half of all Catholic priests are homosexual.

“We are planting seeds for change at the upper level of leadership,” she added, observing the changes of Vatican II were “more evolutionary than revolutionary.”

Dr. Morse disagrees. “The Catholic theological Left is aging, and the young people within the Church are much more traditional and socially conservative and more inclined to support the Church’s teachings,” she said.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that homosexual activity constitutes “grave depravity…Under no circumstances can they be approved.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: catholic; homosexualagenda; nun; religion
Sister Jeannine Gramick and Francis DeBernardo, Rev. Mother Superior wishes to speak to both of you in her office NOW!!

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1 posted on 02/15/2012 7:43:57 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Chode; NYer; Salvation

Rev. Mother Superior is beginning to wonder if she is the only nun left in America who is sane.


2 posted on 02/15/2012 7:45:52 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Morgana

What next, a “Catholic Case for Incest”?


3 posted on 02/15/2012 7:53:55 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Morgana

Apparently Jeannine Gramick who’s been a heretic forever has never been formally excommunicated?

If someone knows different, please post.


4 posted on 02/15/2012 7:55:12 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: sockmonkey

sounds like a plan to me. get rid of all these lib nuns!


5 posted on 02/15/2012 8:02:38 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Morgana
Even Jesus had his Judas!
6 posted on 02/15/2012 8:15:26 PM PST by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: Morgana

I kind of thought once you chose to become a Nun, maybe, just maybe, at that point you would understand there is a church hierarchy and a Pope that put forth and interpret church doctrine and teachings. If you can’t accept that, maybe the whole Nun thing and even Catholic religion isn’t for you, ya think?


7 posted on 02/15/2012 8:38:24 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: Morgana

LOL That’s what the nuns looked like when I went to Catholic School.


8 posted on 02/15/2012 8:39:45 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: Morgana
I'd much prefer
Runaway Satanic Witch presents "Beelzebub's case for man-woman marriage"

9 posted on 02/15/2012 8:43:03 PM PST by bvw
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To: Morgana
“As Catholics who are involved in lesbian and gay ministry and outreach, we are aware that many people, some of them Catholics, believe that Catholics cannot faithfully disobey the public policies of the church’s hierarchy. But this is not the case,” they wrote. “Like Govs. Andrew Cuomo in New York and Pat Quinn in Illinois…Govs. Martin O’Malley and Christine Gregoire are acting against the strongly expressed opposition of their church’s bishops.”

This is why scandal is a sin, and why God gave us excommunication.

10 posted on 02/15/2012 8:45:22 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Also why we have the unitarians, they should be escommunicated and they can be “unitarian nuns” like they really want to.


11 posted on 02/15/2012 8:57:42 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Morgana

I think the Catholics better get a better grip on the further eduction of young Catholics or soon the whole church could become like this. I have seen so called Catholic institutes of higher learning that have gone over to the “liberals”. If the young are taught in liberal institutes they will come out just like the rest of immoral world.


12 posted on 02/15/2012 10:30:34 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Morgana
Gramick has claimed at least half of all Catholic priests are homosexual.
“We are planting seeds for change at the upper level of leadership,” she added, observing the changes of Vatican II were “more evolutionary than revolutionary.”

I'm sure Sister must be extremely upset with the Seminarians over the past few years; they're much more traditional than in her heyday. This means the plan she and her liberal buds had for the Church has slipped from their grasp.

What's interesting is that the fruit of their liberal ideas, the priest abuse scandal, has helped move many Catholics toward more orthodoxy.

13 posted on 02/15/2012 11:46:53 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Morgana

Interesting.. now we see renegade nuns overruling God`s Word. Sounds like the makings of a cheap movie.


14 posted on 02/16/2012 2:23:44 AM PST by ScottinVA (GOP, meet Courage... Courage, meet GOP.)
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To: Morgana
could be...
15 posted on 02/16/2012 5:05:19 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Morgana

Could somebody explain to this Protestant what exactly you have to do to get excommunicated these days?


16 posted on 02/16/2012 6:43:02 AM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

I wish someone would explain it to this Catholic convert.


17 posted on 02/16/2012 8:32:35 AM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

I’m a Protestant, but a Roman Catholic here on FreeRepublic explained it to me this way (I paraphrase):

“Latea Sententea” is the doctrine that when a Roman Catholic refuses to believe or follow official Roman Catholic doctrine—and therefore falls into mortal sin (sin which will send a Christian to Hell) they end up excommunicating themselves. Therefore the Church need not take any action... (I think Adolf Hitler would be a good example of someone born and baptized a Roman Catholic...who in completely rejecting Roman doctrine (and being an unrepentant mass murderer, among other things) —automatically excommunicated himself. The Church, as far as I know, never did formally excommunicate him.)

Here’s the description from the official Roman Catholic Encyclopedia:

Latæ Sententiæ”

Excommunication.... incurred as soon as the offence is committed and by reason of the offence itself (eo ipso) without intervention of any ecclesiastical judge; it is recognized in the terms used by the legislator, for instance: “the culprit will be excommunicated at once, by the fact itself [statim, ipso facto]”.
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To my way of thinking this form of “excommunication” is a cop-out—as the public is never aware who’s a real Catholic, and who just claims to be. Simply denying communion to some Catholics (some places...) does not go far enough—a Roman Catholic who completely rejects important Church teaching should be publically thrown out....with everyone around them aware they are no longer a part of the Church.

This is primarily to get them to repent—since they see the seriousness of their unbelief—but secondarily so as not to confuse the public as to what is Christian belief compared to non-Christian beliefs.

Of course Rome has a bad record of excommunication—starting at least as far back as 1054 when ALL of the Eastern Orthodox were excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church (and visa versa). Later of course they formally excommunicated ALL Protestants (and burned not a few too...). It is understandable Roman Catholic authorities today would be gun shy on formal excommunication.

Still, it really does need to be done—on important public policy issues like this—over which there is really no “gray” areas.


18 posted on 02/16/2012 2:13:28 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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To: bvw
Runaway Satanic Witch presents "Beelzebub's case for man-woman marriage"

I like your phraseology!

19 posted on 02/16/2012 6:17:26 PM PST by cloudmountain
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