'They are not forgotten' — Family history brings stake together [Mormons obsess with the dead]

It is interesting how the residents of Colofornia have so much time to obsess on anothers faith.

Lds have 52,000 missionaries out there. Two year stints. 6-days a week. They focus mostly on non- Mormons, do they not?

Yet we don't see your outloud "wonderments" about how they have all this time over the course of two years to devote to addressing non-Mormons for up to 12 hours a day, 6-days a week.

Why not?

American Idol runner-up David Archuleta just announced a 2-year Lds missionary stint to come up. Are you wondering how he has the time to do that?

No?

So you're just...what? Inconsistent and fluently so?

Oh...and btw...ever since Lds "prophet" McKay formalized Lds missionary lessons in the 1950s, one of the top Lds "messages" they are supposed to address with contacts is how Christians are part of a "universal apostasy."

IOW, Muslims speak negatively of Christians by calling us "infidels"; well, Mormons do the same thing and call Christians "apostates."

You don't think those are "faith-building" kumbayah types of lovey-dovey expressions do you? But, what? No comment about Lds missionaries from you?

All because a few online posters overwhelm what 52,000 Lds missionaries are doing as a collective negative?

21 posted on 12/20/2011 9:20:04 PM PST by Colofornian (Mormon polygamy: It ain't just for time anymore...Lds tie the plural knot sequentially THESE days)

Yes

I was there in Oct...

also the National Library of the Sons of the American Revolution in Louisville, Kentucky...

SAR like the DAR...

For real early America,

the NY State Library in Albany..

The Schenectady Historical Society Library..

NY City Public Library..

NY Historical Society Library W 77th Street (W Central Park)

Library of Congress in Washington, DC

etc

real sources...real family history..

24 posted on 12/20/2011 10:39:20 PM PST by Tennessee Nana

I think I’ll go ask some Mormons to educate me about Christian beliefs, Medthodist perhaps, or Lutheran

Please do.

As for what Mormons believe, don't start with what FR posters post (although most of the 'usual suspects' are ex-Mormons). Go to the LDS's own current educational materials on the official LDS website (www.lds.org).

For adult converts and English-As-A-Second-Language Mormons in Sunday School, try Gospel Doctrines. It's lightweight reading and does cite to other sources.

Then there are the official guides for teaching children, starting here, reaching high school here (I picked a chapter dealing with magic seeing rocks for the translation of the Book of Mormon, and being exalting and being a god over your own planet, which you populate with spirit babies), to college students here (still with the exaltation and getting your own planet to population and serve over as god).

And there is a marriage manual.

So if people here speak about the Celestial Kingdom, the Telestial Kingdom and the Terrestial Kingdom, and exaltation, and multiple brides in the after life, and salvation through works, and all of these other topics - confirm it for yourself through the www.lds.org manuals used to teach children and college students - or through the LDS Gospel Principles manual.

I do my best to stay away from theology and am interested in history - and certain not just LDS history. I am interested in things such as changes made between the 1997 and 2009 Gospel Doctrines manual

But I respect the rights of FR members to their religious beliefs.

I don't respect the rights of everyone to practice their religious beliefs (human sacrifice or kiddie sex, for example) or to wage a blatant PR campaign of lies and half-truths about that the religion believes in order to gain converts who are immediately told that they cannot do what was represented as acceptable in the advertising campaign.

25 posted on 12/21/2011 3:49:08 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)

Oh...and btw...ever since Lds "prophet" McKay formalized Lds missionary lessons in the 1950s, one of the top Lds "messages" they are supposed to address with contacts is how Christians are part of a "universal apostasy."

Professor Robert Millet teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004 http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/ <-- Complete and uneditted

Timeline... Subject...

0:59 "Anti-Mormons..."

1:16 "ATTACK the faith you have..."

2:02 "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."

3:57 "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

26 posted on 12/21/2011 4:50:20 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

...formalized Lds missionary lessons...

What's not to love??

The Rules

Learn and obey all missionary rules.
Keep your thoughts, words, and actions in harmony with the gospel message.
Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church.
Don't debate or argue.
Center your mind on your mission.
Dress conservatively. Elders: white shirts, conservative ties, and business suits. Sisters: conservative colors and skirts that cover your knees. No floor-length skirts or dresses.
Cut your hair regularly.
Keep your hair clean and neatly combed at all times in the approved style.
Be neat and clean.
Bathe frequently.
Use deodorant.
Polish your shoes.
Iron your shirt and business suit.
Arise at 6:30 A.M.
Study for 2 hours every morning.
Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M.
Turn off your lights at 10:30 P.M.
Exercise regularly.
Write in your journal regularly.
Follow the "Missionary Gospel Study Program" (31157) for your personal study.
Regularly study the Missionary Guide and the Discussions.
Attend Sunday priesthood or Relief Society meetings, Sunday School, and sacrament meeting.
Attend the general session of Stake Conference.
Attend general conference broadcasts if available.
Avoid all other church meetings unless you have a special assignment or are brining an investigator.
Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you'll find people home.
End your preparation day at 6:00 P.M. and proselytize from 6:00 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.
Wear your missionary uniform in public on preparation day while not engaged in recreational activities.
Arise at 6:30 on preparation day and study for 2 hours from the approved books.
Take care of your physical preparation for the week on preparation day: wash your clothes, clean your apartment, wash your car, get your haircut, and shop for groceries.
Write to your parents every week on preparation day.
Write less frequently to your siblings, friends, and acquaintances.
Don't communicate with any friends or acquaintances that are within or close to your mission boundaries, except as a part of official mission business.
Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
Stay with your companion during all activities.
Do not go on road trips.
Do not leave your assigned area without permission
Do not watch television.
Do not view unauthorized videocassettes.
Do not listen to the radio.
Do not listen to unauthorized audiocassettes or CD’s.
Do not participate in musical groups.
Do not participate in athletic teams.
Do not sponsor athletic teams.
Do not engage in contact sports.
Do not engage in water sports.
Do not engage in winter sports.
Do not engage in motorcycling.
Do not engage in horseback riding.
Do not engage in mountain climbing.
Do not embark on a private boat.
Do not embark in a private airplane.
Do not handle firearms.
Do not handle explosives.
Do not swim.
Do not play full court basketball.
Do not play basketball in leagues.
Do not play basketball in tournaments.
You may play half-court basketball.
Never be alone.
Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
Be loyal to your companion.
Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesn’t obey the rules.
Pray with your companion every day.
Study with your companion every day.
Plan your work with your companion every day.
Take time at least once a week for companionship inventory.
Seek to be one in spirit and purpose and help each other succeed.
Always address your companion as Elder or Sister.
Sleep in the same bedroom as your companion.
Do not sleep in the same bed as your companion.
Do not arise before your companion.
Do not retire after your companion. (apparently, being together is more important than getting the correct amount of sleep that your unique body requires.)
Frequently study with your companion the Missionary Guide section on companions.
Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex (conversely, they don't mention whether or not it is against the rules to associate inappropriately with anyone of the same sex).
Do not flirt.
Do not date.
Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
Do not visit a single or divorced person of the opposite sex unless accompanied by a couple or another adult member of your sex.
Try to teach single investigators in a member’s home or have missionaries of the same sex teach them.
Always follow the above rules, even if the situation seems harmless.
Use the commitment pattern to get referrals from members.
Keep your dinner visits with member briefs and during the customary dinner hour in the area.
Remember to say thank you to those who feed you.
Visit members and nonmembers only at appropriate times.
Do not counsel or give medical treatment.
Do not stay in the homes of people when they are on vacation.
Only write letters to family members and friends at home.
Do not telephone parents
Do not telephone relatives.
Do not telephone friends.
Do not telephone girlfriends.
Contact your mission president in case of an emergency.
Take problems and questions to your mission president.
Do not write to the President of the Church or to other General Authorities. Letters from missionaries to General Authorities are referred back to the mission president
Respect the customs, traditions, and property of the people who you are trying to convert.
Obey all mission rules.
Obey the laws of the land.
Do not get involved in politics.
Do not get involved in commercial activities.
Do not give any information about the area.
Respect the customs and cultures of those who you are trying to convert to your own customs and culture.
Respect the beliefs, practices, and sites of other religions.
Do not say or write anything bad about the political and cultural circumstances where you serve.
Do not become involved in adoption proceedings.
Do not suggest or encourage emigration. (This rule is a bit ironic, given the now-defunct doctrine of gathering the believers to Zion)
Be courteous.
Provide community service.
Do not provide community service that isn’t approved by your mission president.
Do not provide more than 4 hours a week of community service.
Do not provide community service during the evening, weekend or holidays—those are peek proselytizing times.
Your mission president must approve your housing.
Keep your housing unit clean.
Do not live with single or divorced people of the opposite sex.
Do not live where the spouse is frequently absent.
Your living unit must have a private bath and entrance.
You may occasionally fast for a special reason, but generally the monthly fast is sufficient.
Do not fast longer than 24 hours at a time.
Do not ask friends, relatives, and members to join in special fasts for investigators.
Maintain your health.
Eat a healthy diet.
Sleep from 10:30 to 6:30.
Follow the approved exercise program.
Keep your body, clothes, dishes, linens, towels and housing unit clean.
Dispose of your garbage properly and promptly.
Follow the safety rules for all of your stuff.
Seek medical care if you are in an accident or become sick.
Be immunized.
Spend your money only on things relating to your mission.
Budget your money carefully.
Keep a record of what you spend.
Do not spend more than your companion.
Do not loan money.
Do not borrow money.
Keep a reserve fund of $50 to $100 at all times for transfers.
Pay your bills before leaving an area.
Pay cash for all resale literature and supplies ordered from the mission office.
Do not waste money on souvenirs.
Do not waste money on unnecessary items.
Be a frugal photographer.
Do not accumulate excess baggage.
Obey custom laws and regulations.
Pay fast offerings each fast Sunday to the bishop or branch president where you serve.
Pay tithing on outside sources of income (i.e. interest) to your home bishop or branch president.
Evaluate your funds a few months before the end of your mission. If you have more than you need, ask that less be sent so that you can return home without excess money.
Do not drive without a license.
Drive only Church-owned vehicles.
Do not drive members’ cars.
Do not drive nonmembers’ cars.
Do not give rides to members or investigators in Church-owned cars.
Use cars only on approved mission business.
Use cars only within the assigned geographical area.
Be conscious of safety at all times.
Drive defensively.
Wear your seat belt.
Pray for the Lord’s protection while driving.
If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
Do not tamper with the vehicle’s odometer.
Know bicycle safety rules.
Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
Do not ride your bicycle after dark.
Do not ride your bicycle in heavy traffic.
Do not ride your bicycle in adverse weather conditions.
Go directly to your new area when transferred.
Find your new companion without delay when transferred.
Have a maximum of two suitcases and a briefcase.

27 posted on 12/21/2011 4:51:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

Please do.

I miss ol' PD!

HE was about useless when it came to defending his faith; but at LEAST he had a bunch of links that showed interested people where to find the MILK of MORMONism...

Here; in his memory; is The LIST:

http://www.lds.org

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com

28 posted on 12/21/2011 4:55:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

Let’s see, you say my church is wrong, my creeds are an abomination, my pastor is corrupt, my Heavenly Father is invented, my Jesus is mythical, my Trinity is a monster, my justification is pernicious, my grace is a fallacious doctrine originated by Satan, and my Bible is not trustworthy. Then, when I attempt to offer any sort of disagreement or rebuttal, you accuse me of hatred and bigotry. If that isn’t enough, to add insult to injury, you want to steal my name? Not on my watch!

29 posted on 12/21/2011 5:06:26 AM PST by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)

To: colorcountry

MORMON

ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics --

-- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple

-- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)

26. I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).

Revision 46.5

Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.

All rights liable to be abused.

30 posted on 12/21/2011 6:37:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: colorcountry

I"m sorry, colorcountry. I respectfully suggest you have me confused with someone who has said or done these things. I haven't.

I've never accused you of hatred or bigotry, nor have I accused any LDS member of institutional bigotry.

I've never read any disagreement or rebuttal to any of my very, very, very, very few posts on LDS topics. I rarely post on anything LDS.

And what is this about stealing your name?

All I did above was to tell someone if they wanted to know what LDS believed, they should go to the www.lds.org website and read the current LDS teaching manuals on LDS gospel principles for adults, children, mid-high youth, senior high youth, and college youth. Isn't that the best way for somebody to know what the LDS teaches? To go to what manuals the LDS uses to teach its own members?

I'm truly confused.

Were you writing to me?

31 posted on 12/21/2011 8:18:18 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)

To: colorcountry

Wait, colorcountry. I figured it out. You think I'm LDS.

I'm not. When I said the other party should ask the LDS about Methodists and other faiths, he'd find that they've historically said that everyone except the LDS are apostates (and in the past, they used saltier language than that).

Read my post here or the preceding two posts in that thread. I think you'll see that I address LDS issues from a historical and academic viewpoint and that I'm not LDS.

32 posted on 12/21/2011 8:23:29 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)

No, I didn’t really assume you were LDS, I just took the opportunity to post this on the thread to any LDS defenders who might have posted or were contemplating posting. I just happened to post it to you....sorry if I offended you.

33 posted on 12/21/2011 8:38:59 AM PST by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)

To: colorcountry

No problem.

I hope you and all you hold dear have a Blessed Christmas.

34 posted on 12/21/2011 8:43:21 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)

To: Tennessee Nana

Good for you, for they are LIARS.

I was sitting in one of their research libraries when I told them of their mistake, they just shrugged and said there was no way for them to make the correction, all the while they were there entering NEW DATA from some documents.

The data entry people are all volunteers, so garbage in, and you know the rest.

New converts have no intentions of CARING, they just need names and any combinations of names is ok with them. They may quite the CULT soon anyway. lol It's just a way to make them feel useful, busy, occupied so they won't ever know the truth of the Cult secrets.

35 posted on 12/21/2011 11:04:23 AM PST by annieokie

I can tell you when I looked up my Mom and Dad, because my lds family put them in the data base, their birthdays and birthplaces were wrong. Not terribly wrong but wrong none the less.

This was nine years ago and their db got me started. There was some stuff wrong in the early years with my family tree in their db but as my family arrived in 1680 I cut them some slack. I find errors in genealogy references all of the time which is why one must always cross-ref and confirm.

36 posted on 12/21/2011 12:20:37 PM PST by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")

37 posted on 12/21/2011 8:10:00 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)

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