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To: cothrige
I was wondering recently if the Anglicans who have been received into the Church under the terms of Anglicanorum Coetibus have been required to explicitly profess some sort of faith in Vatican II?

Probably not. Anglicanorum Coetibus heals a division over issues that predate Vatican II by many centuries. Anglo-Catholics probably considered the subtle liberalism of Vatican II to be insignificant next to the blatant liberalism of modern Anglicanism. Vatican II works by perniciously corroding existing belief rather than openly establishing new doctrine. It pretends to at once have changed everything and nothing at all. Therefore, Vatican II precepts will never be openly admitted to on a profession of faith.

When I came into the Church some fifteen years ago I had to publicly profess my faith as being Catholic, but there was nothing about the Second Vatican Council in it that I remember.Nor did I have to swear to accept Trent, any Lateran councils or so on.

Congratulations! The ceremony may have been watered down as a result of Vatican II, but that in no way takes away the merit of your intent.

Therefore, one must wonder why these people should be received only after affirming some sort of a faith in a particular council. Why isn’t the Creed sufficient, as it is for all others who would be accepted in the Church?

It is a political struggle. Liberals tried and failed to stamp out the traditional mass. Liberalism drives away the youth but Tradition attracts all ages. Liberals rightly fear their own defeat if traditionalists are allowed to regularize without compromising on Tradition. The pope is liberal but appears to have greater loyalty to the Church than to liberalism.

4 posted on 12/16/2011 8:38:34 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor
Anglicanorum Coetibus heals a division over issues that predate Vatican II by many centuries. Anglo-Catholics probably considered the subtle liberalism of Vatican II to be insignificant next to the blatant liberalism of modern Anglicanism.

I imagine you are right on both of these points, but the discrepancies are very troubling. Rome seems, and I say seems because the preamble and other such documents are only being referenced second and third hand by people with strong bias in the discussions, to be making some sort of an assertion that these men make a profession of faith, not in the Catholic faith itself, but rather in a particular interpretation of a specific council. This seems very unprecedented. At the same time, these priests from the liberal Anglican tradition, which tradition I am familiar with having come out of it, are being accepted en masse under the terms of this motu proprio and will have the authority to preach, celebrate the sacraments and so on. Rome seems to have no concerns about how they interpret any particular council even though we have good reason to be doubtful given their history and the conditions of their return. After all they are fleeing one community rather than truly desiring another.

I find implications of these two side-by-side activities and responses by Rome, and their strangely disproportionate and innovative requirements, to be a great cause of concern. It is exasperating altogether. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

8 posted on 12/16/2011 1:54:32 PM PST by cothrige
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