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To: Scythian

No mistranslation of the text. Catholics read it as “He,” referring to Christ also.

However, “He” had no human father; the line through which “He” descends from Eve flows solely through God and Mary, and not at all through Joseph. So while Christ is adored, Mary is not. She is “merely” venerated (in Latin, “dulia”) as the most holy of the Saints, and the mother of He who is to be adored (”latria”). In fact, the veneration of Mary is so special among the saints, that it is referred to as “hyperdulia,” meaning, “highest dulia,” or “above [mere] dulia.”

A lot of Catholics will deny that they pray “to” Mary. By denying this, they are denying that what they do is what modern, American Protestants mean by “pray”: They do not adore or worship her. They ask her intercession with Christ; in other words, that she join them in praying to Christ. The power is Christ’s, and Christ’s alone. The most common prayer “to” Mary ends like this: “Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.”

“Pray,” however, has a meaning which has become largely archaic in American English, meaning simply to “ask,” with no connotations of worship. In England, this usage was once so common as to be contracted: “I pray to thee,” has become, “Prithee.” But this use hasn’t completely disappeared in American English. A request to a court for a ruling is still called a “prayer” in many states. And so you will commonly read of prayers “to” the Blessed Virgin Mary... such as “pray for us,” “intercede for us,” and maybe even “obtain for us (from Christ) the graces.”


14 posted on 12/12/2011 9:17:34 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

The fascinating thing is that there is no record of St. Peter, St. Paul, St. John, St. James or any of the original Apostles praying like this...or those Christians in the earliest centuries of the Church. Nor is there any instruction at all...amidst all the detailed instructions by Paul, Peter, John et al., in their letters to the first Christians...that they should seek intercession of saints who have died at all....NOT ONE IOTA.

Clearly—according to the direct historic record of the Apostles, the New Testament, that was not a part of Aspotolic prayer and practice.

St. Mary herself—as virtuous and blessed woman she surely is—is never even mentioned in the Bible after the 2nd Chapter of Acts.

If praying to saints is such an essential, important part of the Christian life, I wonder why Paul, Peter, John, James etc. forgot to mention it?


17 posted on 12/12/2011 11:12:47 AM PST by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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