Posted on 12/01/2011 12:14:40 PM PST by ReformationFan
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Did Jesus himself say anything about it or just the writers well after his death?
straight from the source.. The Word.
wolfie, did you bother to read any of the post? Your question is answered completely there.
Hint, ‘In the beginning was the Word......’
If you can take the leap of faith that Jesus wrote the Bible stories using these men as proxies, you answered the question.
If you cannot take the leap of faith, it does not.
Don’t get me wrong, I agree 100% with biblical morality, but it does take a leap of faith to say Jesus wrote it. Jesus was a brilliant, literate man that could have written a bible himself if he wanted to, but he stuck with the Old Testament. To those that think like myself, the New Testament is a collection out of many stories that were written by man and chosen by man at Constantine’s Council of Nicea, 300 years after the death of Jesus, out of a much larger pool of stories to be included in the New Testament.
You get no argument from me. I wish more of the church fathers writings made the cut because I think much of those writings are inspired too. That said, when supporting all scriptures don’t you usually get the “stoning is allowed” and encouraged, argument? How do you form your response.
Everything we have about Jesus was written after his death. Everything accepted for inclusion in the New Testament was accepted at the time as written by people who personally witnessed the events recorded and met Jesus before the crucifixion, by a writer recording the words of an eyewitness, or by Paul who (according to Acts) encountered Jesus after the crucifixion, on the road to Damascus. It's your call what that means to you, but if the rest of the Bible is God's word, I feel compelled to accept those passages that are inconvenient to me as God's word too.
Those who are worried about translation errors might check Young's Literal Translation; Old Testament and his New Testament. Both are word by word translations that can be checked against old manuscripts from the first 300 years AD. They don't flow as well as KJV, but they allow a check on whether meaning was preserved in the more popular translations (hint: meaning is usually but not quite always preserved by other translations, and it is identical to the original in multiple passages on homosexuality).
Yes. Mark 7:21 records that Jesus said “For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,” and in Matthew 15:19 Jesus said “For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies”. The English word “fornications” He used is translated from the Greek word porneia. Porneia is defined among other things as 1) illicit sexual intercourse,a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc. This clearly shows that Jesus did speak about homosexual behavior and considered it a sin.
"The Word" said something about it WELL BEFORE HIS physical BIRTH, as a matter of fact. bttt
Indeed. My Lord and Savior showed compassion on the ill and the disabled. I do not believe he would think behavior which breaks His Father’s laws and results in anal cancer, AIDS and other STDs and other health disorders is “fabulous”.
To those who think like myself, the Bible does not contain the word of God, it IS the word of God. This word was written, by many men, over many years, under inspiration of God. It is infallible, true, and life changing.
Whether or not Jesus picked up pen (quill?) and paper (parchment?) to write the words Himself is irrelevant. They are of and by Him.
Leap of faith? If you are willing to take a step, then why not leap? Jesus, by His word, says he would rather you were Hot or Cold for Him, not luke warm. Luke warm makes Him want to vomit - His words there.
Something about having the faith of a child. Believe the Father and His Word.
I have no doubt he believed it was a sin, just curious as to whether he actually taught it. I can’t speak for Greek and the translation or what was meant by fornication.
“To those who think like myself, the Bible does not contain the word of God, it IS the word of God. This word was written, by many men, over many years, under inspiration of God. It is infallible, true, and life changing.”
I am sorry, but whether you like it or not, that is a leap of faith and not fact. What about the passages and gospels that were not selected? Are they not the word of God because the men that were ordained by God to chooses the passages at the Council of Nicea to be included in the New Testament did not choose those? I assume that if you believe the Council of Nicea, who chose the texts for the New Testament, were also God inspired? If that is the case, you must be either Catholic or Orthodox because the Council of Nicea also effectively created Christian Orthodoxy under the Papacy. If you are a Protestant, then you are a heretic under your own beliefs if you take that “leap of faith”.
Great post. Thanks!
That I agree with. Bisexuality was rampant in the anceint world and pure homosexuality is a relatively modern invention.
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Yeah, I guess you know. What facts are you basing this choirboy crap on?
Homosexuality is just partner assisted masturbation.
"Holiness" is not a moral catagory, but we are not just animals
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