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To: Elsie

Yup, just as I said, in a financial matter where members were to give to the church, Peter held them accountable as Gods representative. You thinking that tithing settlement is between men only is the same kind of thinking that lead Ananias and Sapphira to think they could get away with what they tried.

It goes on...

8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.

9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

Seems like a far harsher and far more permanent consequence than not being able to get a temple recommend until you repent. Far more intimidating to the other members too wouldn’t you say.


85 posted on 11/10/2011 11:26:51 AM PST by Grig
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To: Grig
Poor of spirit Grig. you are compounding your purposed deception, showing you are not merely misinformed but proud to spout misinformation.

"Didn’t a certain husband and wife 1have to account to Peter for certain financial dealings? Yes, they did, and 2when they lied to Peter about it they were both struck dead. If you want to accuse anybody of coercion, perhaps Peter should be your target." Grig

Your problem is mischaracterization:

1. The husband and wife were not required to account --in the context of the thread discussion on forced tithing to get a temple recommend-- and in fact Peter's statement to Ananias shows the money was volunteered as a gift, but with an embedded lie of omission seeking false glory, which was instantly evident to The Holy Spirit

2. The couple were struck dead not for lying to Peter but for lying to the Holy Spirit. Ananias and Sapphira were seeking to deceive the early church by using/copying Holy Spirit inspiration parsed to seek their self-aggrandizement. Having sold the land which belong to them to start with, they faked their 'gift' to the collection plate, which would open the door for false piety to enter the Holy Spirit directed early ecclesia (the church) and taint the body with deceit which would then be something Satan could use to discredit the whole body of believers.

For a strong clue that this meaning from the passage is accurate, read what happened in the ecclesia when these two deceivers were exposed, ied, and the news broadcast among the believers and those hearing of the story.

BTW, why do you seek to impugn Peter over the deaths of Ananias and Sapphira? And you should finally note that what the passage is addressing was not and had nothing to do with tithing. Those giving of their means were doing so under inspiration from the Holy Spirit, not by directive from the Apostles.

88 posted on 11/10/2011 11:30:10 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Grig
Yup, just as I said, in a financial matter where members were to give to the church, Peter held them accountable as Gods representative.

You manage to miss the obvious.

They didn't HAVE to 'give to the church'.

100 posted on 11/10/2011 2:24:48 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Grig
Seems like a far harsher and far more permanent consequence than not being able to get a temple recommend until you repent. Far more intimidating to the other members too wouldn’t you say.

As you wish.

I have a simple question. So simple that a simple Yes or No can be the answer.

Can a MORMON simply get to the HIGHEST level of MORMON heaven WITHOUT a TR?

101 posted on 11/10/2011 2:26:29 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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