Posted on 11/07/2011 4:00:48 PM PST by Alex Murphy
....Homosexual practice is sin. The Bible teaches that all particular sins flow from our rebellious disposition of heart. Just as with any other sin, the PCA deals with people in a pastoral way, seeking to transform their lifestyle through the power of the gospel as applied by the Holy Spirit. Hence, in condemning homosexual practice we claim no self-righteousness, but recognize that any and all sin is equally heinous in the sight of a holy God.
The PCA is committed to the sanctity of human sexual relationships. We believe Gods intent and design in creation was that male and female would be complementary, that the privilege of sexual expression would be between a male and female only, and this expression would be only in the context of marriage. Therefore, any heterosexual or homosexual behavior or relationship that does not conform to Gods design does violence to the human spirit and distorts Gods intent for men and women.
“Therefore, any heterosexual or homosexual behavior or relationship that does not conform to Gods design does violence to the human spirit and distorts Gods intent for men and women.”
How close-minded...typical liberal reaction. LOL.
Got for those guys.
Hopefully this will settle some of the nonsense.
Amen...and God bless the Presbyterian Church in America for stating this so forthrightly and succinctly.
This sin, sexual sin outside of marriage, is one of the dominant and most destructive sins and forces at work destroying America today.
Our nation needs to repent and turn from it. It destroys the connection to the Holy Spirit of individuals involved in it, it destroys homes, it destroys mariages, it destroys the basic understranding of sexuality, and it leads to unridled sins involved in the hate and antagonism that goes along with all the jealosies and anger and crime assocaited with it...from murder of spouses and so-called “lovers” in love triangles, to abortion, etc., etc.
It shouldn’t escape attention that when the PCA makes any kind of declarations on policy or principle, those statements are loaded with scripture references to justify the position. Even where things like the Westminster Confession is cited, readers should realize that this document is - paragraph by paragraph - also backed up with scripture as its foundation.
Funny, I don’t see much of that whenever the Presbyterian Church/USA makes its announcements.
As you have repeatedly contended on in this forum, official statements don't pass the "So What" test. As long as a single apostate member can be found to practice against the formal teachings of any church the teachings of that church is negated and tacit approval is implied. If it applies to a pederast Catholic priest it equally applies to a gay Presbyterian.
Although I do believe that your contentions are often wrong and that there are decent, faithful, and honest Presbyterians the most recent statement you posted is over 20 years old. In the constantly "evolving" context of the Presbyterian churches in America, that is several lifetimes. Recent headlines suggest changes.
Although I do believe that your contentions are often wrong and that there are decent, faithful, and honest Presbyterians the most recent statement you posted is over 20 years old. In the constantly "evolving" context of the Presbyterian churches in America, that is several lifetimes. Recent headlines suggest changes.
You were saying?
congratulations to the PCA for holding to the Scriptual standard.
One of the reasons when I was looking for a church that I would consider only a PCA and NOT a PCUSA church, even though there are two somewhat conservative PCUSA churches in my area.
Glad to see them reiterate their quite Biblical position, with no changes or dilutions.
i can’t prove this, but my own opinion is the one proof satan has been loosed here at the end of the world is the falling away we are winessing coming at lightning speed, whether it’s JP II hosting the world’s religions at Assisi ( in effect making Christianity on par with Islam or Hinduism ), the scandal of homosexuality in the clergy, or the Christians feel to openly proclaim Jesus Christ as the only way to the Father.
so when i see a group not afraid to hold to the Scriptural teaching on sexuality, i applaud them as i think we all should.
we can go back to doctrinal disputes tomorrow!
oops, prior post should have the word “shame” before Christian.
the shame Christians....
Glad to hear it. The never changing word of God against the fallible will of man.
http://www.pcusa.org/news/2011/5/11/pcusa-relaxes-constitutional-prohibition-gay-and-l/
I'm not up on Presbyterianism, so I apologize.
You are confusing the PCA denomination with the USA denomination.
There is no voting in the Bible on matters of theology and beliefs. Why does the PCA vote on matters of theology and belief?
This resolution is from 1977. Where is the PCA today? It is 2011, if you haven't been looking. A whole truckload of Protestants have consigned themselves on a hellish path during that time, if you haven't noticed. Do you have anything more up to date? Or don't your folks update things that they don't want to be noticed by the general public or Christendom at large?
The sins forbidden in the seventh commandment, besides the neglect of the duties required, are adultery, fornication, rape, incest, sodomy, and all unnatural lusts; all unclean imaginations, thoughts, purposes, and affections, all corrupt or filthy communications, or listening thereunto; wanton looks, impudent or light behavior, immodest apparel; prohibiting of lawful, and dispensing with unlawful marriages; allowing, tolerating, keeping of stews (old English word meaning houses of prostitution), and resorting to them; entangling vows of single life, undue delay of marriage, having more wives or husbands than one at the same time; unjust divorce, or desertion; idleness, gluttony, drunkenness, unchaste company; lascivious songs, books, pictures, dancings, stage plays; and all other provocations to, or acts of uncleanness, either in ourselves or others.
How about you give me the name of the last person thrown out of the PCA for any of these and the date? You don't let convicted rapists continue membership? Divocees? When was the last time you guys tossed somebody out for reading Playboy?
Are you really trying to tell us that you are not PCA after trying so hard to convince us all these years?
It doesn't say anything about Popes in the Bible.
"There is no voting in the Bible on matters of theology and beliefs. Why does the PCA vote on matters of theology and belief?"
Why did the participants of the Counsel of Nicea vote on matters of theology and belief?
The Bishops who met at Nicea were all directly the product of Apostolic Succession and had the responsibility transferred to them by the laying on of the hands in a direct unbroken link through the Apostles to Jesus Himself. The same cannot be said for the PCA, but Circlecity's reasoning does legitimize the Magisterium, doesn't it.
As are all regenerate Pastors.
Unless I read the letter incorrectly, the president referenced in the article was the US president, as a letter was written to him.
There are three types of structures for churches:
1) Bishop led, a type of pyramid structure with promotions and those leaders making decisions for the congregants(e.g. R Catholic)
2) Congregation led, a typy of upside down triangle, where the congregants make the decisions (e.g. Southern Baptists)
3) Presbytery led, which is elder ruled and the biblical model. Elders are chosen by the congregation and they hold the order of the church. If problems arise within the congregation, a member can meet with an elder or elders. The district would then have elders chosen from among the various church elder.
The advantage of #3 is that the possibility of a power struggle is minimized more so than in #1 and #2. The PCA follows #3.
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